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Hi, I recently started breeding SD Jumping AA's. I have a few questions : 1. Do you need to track training and how? I've seen some people do 222, 112221, --222-, using the 2's as the traits that are for that discipline. Which method do you use and which do you think is the best/easiest? 2. Do you need to match? Basically what the question says, if you have a dressage SD horse weakest in Int would you want to breed them to a horse strongest in Int? And how do you know what they are strong in/weak in if most traits all go up together? 3. What is considered "good" training? Should they be up week 3, is it okay if they aren't? When is the latest they should be up in all applicable traits? 4. What ratings are acceptable for stallions? Should you only keep WC stallions for breeding and geld the E's? Are E mares okay to keep? 5. How do you cull? Training, production, other? I really just need to know culling systems. Thanks in advance <3. |
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Hello, I started a side project of SD Jumping AAs as well, and have background history with SD RIDs and PONs. 1. When I did my single discipline RIDs I tracked the training with the 3 disciplines they were in, so like what you said: using the 2's as the traits that are for that discipline. I don't think that there is the best way but I find this way to be the easiest, for me. 2. This is something that I have been trying to figure out as when I breed my SD stallions with mare without looking at strengths/weaknesses I will most of the time still get an elite rated foal in that so discipline. I have been matching them more now to prevent major weaknesses with the foal. It really doesn't take long to realize what they are strong vs what they are weak in. As most SD horses go up at least one week 3 but it really only takes around six-ish weeks of training. 3. When I bred SD RIDs I only kept colts that went up week 3, this was because I consider the strong ones to go up week 3, but it is definitely okay if they don't go up just means they aren't as strong. If they aren't all up (222) by week 5 or 6 free-range or geld. 4. I started with elite stallions and worked my way up, but I do recommend starting with a World Class stallion as they do tend to land higher on boards and are stronger with production rates. Gelding E colts is all up to you I started doing it unless they had color or unless both parents were high on LBs. As far as mares go I kept elite rated mares for freshmen, brood out, and to breed to my stronger W boys to see if I'd have any chances with a W foal. So yes, E mares are okay to keep. 5. Oh, culling, super fun. I follow a post that Capp made so full creds go to her for this: "I geld my studs if they aren't up all 3 traits week 4 (*unless they are shiny XC or J lol) then again week 7 I *want* 2-3 up (fillies 1 is ok for me but I'm sure others who are more cut throat want more, not really sure tho) wk 8 all 3." For me, mares who produce P's are automatically free-ranged or just moved to showing purposes, stallions, if they produce S rating, are gelding no matter rating. Hope I was some sort of help, private message me if any more help is needed! <3 |
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1. Not everyone tracks training and I've seen plenty of LB studs without any training so apparently it works too. I use training to roughly determin a horse's strength so I track their first 12 weeks using 222 but there a plenty other methods. A little handier might be the method where you just note which trait is strong, which one is average and which ones weak. Like this: strong: hrt, agerage: str, weak: scp. In the end it's up to you which method suits you best. 2. A strong mare and stud might produce some Es or even Ws without matching. However ultimatelly SD breeding follows the same rules as AD if a horse is really weak in one trait or several traits it will affect it's rating and it's general strength. I always match my SD stock just as I match my AD horses on my main account. 3. I expect any horse in my breeding stock to be all up week 4 and 8. I don't care much about week 3, I rather look at week 7 and 10. For E-rated horses I like them to be up at least 2 week 7 and 1 week 10, W-rated horses need to be up 3 week 7 and two week 10 4. I only use W-stallions. Depending on your breeding goals you might want to keep hold of one or two shiny E-studs but they will set you back rating-wise. E studs simply aren't as strong as Ws. Most LB studs accept E-mares so I think it's fine to keep hold of them. 5. I cull every horse that is not all up week 4 and that has not gained a bar week 7 or 10. Concerning their production I cull any mare who has produced more than one P. I also geld stallions that didn't make it on their breed's LB or that produced two Ps (given that the mare wasn't crap). I can also second what Snowmass Horses said: keep culled stock for showing, they're great for that! In the end you need to decide what you're goals are. Try what works for you and what not and from that perspective you can decide what to look for in your breeding stock : ) It's also helpful to take a look at the LBs. How did the top ten AA SJ studs train? What production do they have? Same with mares. That actually helped me a lot when I started. |
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Moony's Stables said:
1. Not everyone tracks training and I've seen plenty of LB studs without any training so apparently it works too. I use training to roughly determin a horse's strength so I track their first 12 weeks using 222 but there a plenty other methods. A little handier might be the method where you just note which trait is strong, which one is average and which ones weak. Like this: strong: hrt, agerage: str, weak: scp. In the end it's up to you which method suits you best. 2. A strong mare and stud might produce some Es or even Ws without matching. However ultimatelly SD breeding follows the same rules as AD if a horse is really weak in one trait or several traits it will affect it's rating and it's general strength. I always match my SD stock just as I match my AD horses on my main account. 3. I expect any horse in my breeding stock to be all up week 4 and 8. I don't care much about week 3, I rather look at week 7 and 10. For E-rated horses I like them to be up at least 2 week 7 and 1 week 10, W-rated horses need to be up 3 week 7 and two week 10 4. I only use W-stallions. Depending on your breeding goals you might want to keep hold of one or two shiny E-studs but they will set you back rating-wise. E studs simply aren't as strong as Ws. Most LB studs accept E-mares so I think it's fine to keep hold of them. 5. I cull every horse that is not all up week 4 and that has not gained a bar week 7 or 10. Concerning their production I cull any mare who has produced more than one P. I also geld stallions that didn't make it on their breed's LB or that produced two Ps (given that the mare wasn't crap). I can also second what Snowmass Horses said: keep culled stock for showing, they're great for that! In the end you need to decide what you're goals are. Try what works for you and what not and from that perspective you can decide what to look for in your breeding stock : ) It's also helpful to take a look at the LBs. How did the top ten AA SJ studs train? What production do they have? Same with mares. That actually helped me a lot when I started.
Snowmass Horses said:
Hello, I started a side project of SD Jumping AAs as well, and have background history with SD RIDs and PONs. 1. When I did my single discipline RIDs I tracked the training with the 3 disciplines they were in, so like what you said: using the 2's as the traits that are for that discipline. I don't think that there is the best way but I find this way to be the easiest, for me. 2. This is something that I have been trying to figure out as when I breed my SD stallions with mare without looking at strengths/weaknesses I will most of the time still get an elite rated foal in that so discipline. I have been matching them more now to prevent major weaknesses with the foal. It really doesn't take long to realize what they are strong vs what they are weak in. As most SD horses go up at least one week 3 but it really only takes around six-ish weeks of training. 3. When I bred SD RIDs I only kept colts that went up week 3, this was because I consider the strong ones to go up week 3, but it is definitely okay if they don't go up just means they aren't as strong. If they aren't all up (222) by week 5 or 6 free-range or geld. 4. I started with elite stallions and worked my way up, but I do recommend starting with a World Class stallion as they do tend to land higher on boards and are stronger with production rates. Gelding E colts is all up to you I started doing it unless they had color or unless both parents were high on LBs. As far as mares go I kept elite rated mares for freshmen, brood out, and to breed to my stronger W boys to see if I'd have any chances with a W foal. So yes, E mares are okay to keep. 5. Oh, culling, super fun. I follow a post that Capp made so full creds go to her for this: "I geld my studs if they aren't up all 3 traits week 4 (*unless they are shiny XC or J lol) then again week 7 I *want* 2-3 up (fillies 1 is ok for me but I'm sure others who are more cut throat want more, not really sure tho) wk 8 all 3." For me, mares who produce P's are automatically free-ranged or just moved to showing purposes, stallions, if they produce S rating, are gelding no matter rating. Hope I was some sort of help, private message me if any more help is needed! <3
Thank you both <3 |
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