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The Hard Keeper January 10, 2019 09:00 AM

Scythe
 
Posts: 94
#294888
Hello all! I'm presented with the difficulty of putting weight on the senior hard keeper, lol. She's 18 this year, not a very busy life until recently when she started doing pleasure riding and lessons. Her teeth are good, she's been wormed regularly, and she digests things well. She has a narrow build, for being a Quarter Horse, she's built very much like a Thoroughbred. I feed however much forage she wants, beet pulp, and senior feed. I'm concerned over winter that she's losing some more weight. Anyone have any tips and tricks?

Picture of Widow :)

the muddy beast.

During the summer she was very very busy and was all muscle, but now that winter is here, she's lost a lot of that muscle. I need to replace it with fat!

Summer months beasty

(also yeah, her head's enormous, and only slightly distracts from her beauty, lol)

She eats an unbelievable amount of food...I'm at my whits end..Why does no fat stick on her???!

Edited at January 10, 2019 09:01 AM by Scythe
The Hard Keeper January 10, 2019 09:11 AM
Loomis Acres
 
Posts: 18
#294894
It's a nightmare when you get one who eats well but won't put the weight on. I used to share a field with the owner of two really senior (28 & 30 year olds) and she swore by putting oil in their feed. Just regular vegetable oil. It's almost tasteless so even fussy eaters don't mind it. Start small with just a tablespoon or two as sometimes their tummy might not be keen and it can cause very loose stool. Any horse should be fine with one tablespoon, just introduce gradually until you hit the sweet spot. She used to feed hers half a cup of oil, twice a day and their coats gleamed.
The Hard Keeper January 10, 2019 09:15 AM

Old Southern Ranch
 
Posts: 6
#294896
I have thoroughbreds, who are hard keepers and this is what we feed our seniors. The competition horses get a slightly different feed but about the same. We also feed this twice a day, morning before they go out to pasture and afternoon when they come into their stalls and then premix at night (around 7pm) if the temperatures are below 20 outside or they have been worked that day.

We adjust the senior as needed, some horses get 2 cups other get 1. Everyone who starts dropping weight we bump them up to 5lbs of alfalfa until they are back to weight and then go back down to about 3 lbs, we normally only have to bump it up for 2 weeks, in the winter time. Our boys loose muscle a lot since we cant work them as much with the snow, ice, and bad weather.
You can also add vegetable oil, some of my horses are picky eaters and they have no problem with the oil. We normally give oil year round. Beer is also a trick believe it or not! I have 2 boys who love beer and will go on it sometimes during the winter!

5lb Alfalfa pellets
2 cups beet pulp
1 cup senior
20lbs Hay

Hope this helps and you can get your girl lookin good again! She is very beautiful and looks good for being a senior. :)

Edited at January 10, 2019 09:16 AM by Old Southern Ranch
The Hard Keeper January 10, 2019 09:30 AM

Scythe
 
Posts: 94
#294898


Loomis Acres said:
It's a nightmare when you get one who eats well but won't put the weight on. I used to share a field with the owner of two really senior (28 & 30 year olds) and she swore by putting oil in their feed. Just regular vegetable oil. It's almost tasteless so even fussy eaters don't mind it. Start small with just a tablespoon or two as sometimes their tummy might not be keen and it can cause very loose stool. Any horse should be fine with one tablespoon, just introduce gradually until you hit the sweet spot. She used to feed hers half a cup of oil, twice a day and their coats gleamed.


What kind of oil??? Canola or something like that, like a frying oil? I would hate to upset her stomach. I do already feed about 2 TBS of coconut oil in her feed for hair growth, shine, and gut balance :) I'll have to do more research on the other oils thing! Thanks for the suggestion :)
The Hard Keeper January 10, 2019 09:32 AM

Scythe
 
Posts: 94
#294900


Old Southern Ranch said:
I have thoroughbreds, who are hard keepers and this is what we feed our seniors. The competition horses get a slightly different feed but about the same. We also feed this twice a day, morning before they go out to pasture and afternoon when they come into their stalls and then premix at night (around 7pm) if the temperatures are below 20 outside or they have been worked that day.

We adjust the senior as needed, some horses get 2 cups other get 1. Everyone who starts dropping weight we bump them up to 5lbs of alfalfa until they are back to weight and then go back down to about 3 lbs, we normally only have to bump it up for 2 weeks, in the winter time. Our boys loose muscle a lot since we cant work them as much with the snow, ice, and bad weather.
You can also add vegetable oil, some of my horses are picky eaters and they have no problem with the oil. We normally give oil year round. Beer is also a trick believe it or not! I have 2 boys who love beer and will go on it sometimes during the winter!

5lb Alfalfa pellets
2 cups beet pulp
1 cup senior
20lbs Hay

Hope this helps and you can get your girl lookin good again! She is very beautiful and looks good for being a senior. :)



Thanks so much for the information! I've never heard of the beer thing, haha, that sounds like an interesting trick. Have you ever found that working a horse more in the winter will help them keep their shape? My girly just plays out there, but no real work for the winter. Do you think lunging her (can't ride due to health issues at the moment) might help her put on weight, or would it just increase her appetite?
The Hard Keeper January 10, 2019 09:43 AM

Old Southern Ranch
 
Posts: 6
#294903


Scythe said:


Old Southern Ranch said:
I have thoroughbreds, who are hard keepers and this is what we feed our seniors. The competition horses get a slightly different feed but about the same. We also feed this twice a day, morning before they go out to pasture and afternoon when they come into their stalls and then premix at night (around 7pm) if the temperatures are below 20 outside or they have been worked that day.

We adjust the senior as needed, some horses get 2 cups other get 1. Everyone who starts dropping weight we bump them up to 5lbs of alfalfa until they are back to weight and then go back down to about 3 lbs, we normally only have to bump it up for 2 weeks, in the winter time. Our boys loose muscle a lot since we cant work them as much with the snow, ice, and bad weather.
You can also add vegetable oil, some of my horses are picky eaters and they have no problem with the oil. We normally give oil year round. Beer is also a trick believe it or not! I have 2 boys who love beer and will go on it sometimes during the winter!

5lb Alfalfa pellets
2 cups beet pulp
1 cup senior
20lbs Hay

Hope this helps and you can get your girl lookin good again! She is very beautiful and looks good for being a senior. :)



Thanks so much for the information! I've never heard of the beer thing, haha, that sounds like an interesting trick. Have you ever found that working a horse more in the winter will help them keep their shape? My girly just plays out there, but no real work for the winter. Do you think lunging her (can't ride due to health issues at the moment) might help her put on weight, or would it just increase her appetite?


My horses tend to loose some muscle mass in the winter, but we try to lunge them at least 3x a week in the winter at a trot/walk (more trot than walking) to try and keep some of their muscle. We also hand walk them on the roads up and down the hills if they are nice and the arena isn't! It does help them keep their shape for the most part thought, the topline and butt are usually the ones i've noticed to loose muscle first and then the chest.. Since working them does burn extra calories we give them a little extra food the days they work so they gain those calories back. If it is in the form of hay, 5lbs, premix (beet and alfalfa pellets) prox. 1.5lbs, or extra cup of alfalfa.
The beer helps pretty well. I tend to buy the cheep stuff though. haha I think normally about 2 weeks of mixing it with their feed and you will start to really notice a change.
The Hard Keeper January 10, 2019 09:50 AM

Scythe
 
Posts: 94
#294904


Old Southern Ranch said:


Scythe said:


Old Southern Ranch said:
I have thoroughbreds, who are hard keepers and this is what we feed our seniors. The competition horses get a slightly different feed but about the same. We also feed this twice a day, morning before they go out to pasture and afternoon when they come into their stalls and then premix at night (around 7pm) if the temperatures are below 20 outside or they have been worked that day.

We adjust the senior as needed, some horses get 2 cups other get 1. Everyone who starts dropping weight we bump them up to 5lbs of alfalfa until they are back to weight and then go back down to about 3 lbs, we normally only have to bump it up for 2 weeks, in the winter time. Our boys loose muscle a lot since we cant work them as much with the snow, ice, and bad weather.
You can also add vegetable oil, some of my horses are picky eaters and they have no problem with the oil. We normally give oil year round. Beer is also a trick believe it or not! I have 2 boys who love beer and will go on it sometimes during the winter!

5lb Alfalfa pellets
2 cups beet pulp
1 cup senior
20lbs Hay

Hope this helps and you can get your girl lookin good again! She is very beautiful and looks good for being a senior. :)



Thanks so much for the information! I've never heard of the beer thing, haha, that sounds like an interesting trick. Have you ever found that working a horse more in the winter will help them keep their shape? My girly just plays out there, but no real work for the winter. Do you think lunging her (can't ride due to health issues at the moment) might help her put on weight, or would it just increase her appetite?


My horses tend to loose some muscle mass in the winter, but we try to lunge them at least 3x a week in the winter at a trot/walk (more trot than walking) to try and keep some of their muscle. We also hand walk them on the roads up and down the hills if they are nice and the arena isn't! It does help them keep their shape for the most part thought, the topline and butt are usually the ones i've noticed to loose muscle first and then the chest.. Since working them does burn extra calories we give them a little extra food the days they work so they gain those calories back. If it is in the form of hay, 5lbs, premix (beet and alfalfa pellets) prox. 1.5lbs, or extra cup of alfalfa.
The beer helps pretty well. I tend to buy the cheep stuff though. haha I think normally about 2 weeks of mixing it with their feed and you will start to really notice a change.



Thank you so much!
The Hard Keeper January 10, 2019 01:23 PM

Dimrill Dale
 
Posts: 2391
#294953
We add vegetable oil and rice bran to their feed. Helps a lot!
The Hard Keeper January 10, 2019 06:40 PM

Painted Hill Farm
 
Posts: 715
#295055
I have a hard keeper. I use aloe & alfalfa pellets along with his grain. (sentinel performance). He also gets free choice hay. (when he will eat it). He was getting beat pulp pellets also, but he was gaining too much weight so I omitted them from his diet. I like the pellets because they are easier to feed. You don't have to soak them.

The aloe is human grade, I buy it at Walmart. My horse chiropractor recommended it.
The Hard Keeper January 11, 2019 07:35 AM
Loomis Acres
 
Posts: 18
#295224


Scythe said:


Loomis Acres said:
It's a nightmare when you get one who eats well but won't put the weight on. I used to share a field with the owner of two really senior (28 & 30 year olds) and she swore by putting oil in their feed. Just regular vegetable oil. It's almost tasteless so even fussy eaters don't mind it. Start small with just a tablespoon or two as sometimes their tummy might not be keen and it can cause very loose stool. Any horse should be fine with one tablespoon, just introduce gradually until you hit the sweet spot. She used to feed hers half a cup of oil, twice a day and their coats gleamed.


What kind of oil??? Canola or something like that, like a frying oil? I would hate to upset her stomach. I do already feed about 2 TBS of coconut oil in her feed for hair growth, shine, and gut balance :) I'll have to do more research on the other oils thing! Thanks for the suggestion :)


Sorry only just seen this! Just a regular vegetable oil like you'd use for frying, but if she's already getting coconut oil then might not be necessary x

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