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This is my cow mare Shiner Will Shine Dr. Aka Zoey. Her sire is Shining Sparkler by Shining Spark, her dam is Lil Blue Shine Dr by Blue Spark Olena. Zoey is my reining/ranch horse. I also do a little bit of english with her. She has been used multiple times in a light horse selection class as an example of good conformation. She hasn't been worked much right now due to it being cold so she is a little under muscled. She is very fuzzy right now XD Edit: I added her sire and dam and their grand sires |
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Heaven, i have a few concerns about your horses. I'm definitely asking for second opinions though!! Starbuck ~ First impressions: he's very strange to look out and strangely disproportionate. It ight be the lighting. It is definitely throwing me off right now XD Nonetheless, first things I notice: He's sway backed on a mid-long range back (sway back generally happens because of long backs. This is because it's harder for them to keep up with the muscles in their back. Long backs just mean weaker backs in general). High withers, he looks coon footed (long, sloping pasterns. He might even be sickle-hocked) up front and short pasterned in the back. Camped under and definitely post-legged in the back. His hooves are of concern to me. They look very strange, almost like they're packed in? His hip and shoulder angle aren't bad. Seems well-balanced. He's got good bone on him too. To me, it looks like he probably had some hefty muscle when he was young. Doc ~ This one is a strange one too. He looks very short bodied, but he's long backed. I don't think I've seen that before XD. He also looks camped under and post-legged in the back. His pasterns seem okay...he's got some feathers going on so it's a little tough telling.....His shoulder angle looks alright, but his hip angle seems really steep. His back end/back/shoulder proportions aren't well-balanced. His bone looks alright, but he's really lacking muscle (nothing not to be expected having come from a neglect situation and his age). His hooves though....I'm not sure who your farrier is, but I might recommend a different one. All of your horse's hooves are less than ideal and altogether very strange. Novak ~ My first notices are he is sway backed on a mid-long range back as well (kind of strange for his age). He's got a steep shoulder which will contribute to a short, choppy gait. He's post legged and definitely camped under on the back end. He's calf-kneed up front and camped under too. He has short, upright pasterns. And those hooves and ultimately concerning. They are clubbed and appear on the longer side. He has a longer hip angle, and appears to be a bit flat up on the croup. He's good boned and seems balanced with a shorter rump, providing more power. I have concerns with his legs though. The best thing you can do is find a good farrier to help out with those feet. With him already being calf-kneed + clubbed feet is a heck of a lot of pressure on his joints and legs. The best thing you can do to help out is really get those hooves in good working order. If unable, just be aware he's high risk for secondary lameness. Precautions and preventatives are best for him. ^^ I would also like to note he's Quarter and his ribs are showing. I'd probably not be riding him at this stage until he packs on some more weight. It's uncomfortable and painful for him to be ridden like that, and you both are high at risk for injury. (Void this if these are older pictures XD) I don't mean to harp on you, it's your horses 100%. I'm just given my two cents. XD Also, I could probably use a fact check on this as I'm not a professional at this at all. Feel free to call me out if you don't agree! |
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That is what I wanted! As far as hooves, the farrier is scheduled to come out in like two days because they all need their hooves done again to stay on schedule (Novaks grow out so fast that he gets his tripped so freaking often), also I did just switch farriers because I did not like what my old farrier was doing. I didn't know anything about farrier work until about a month ago and when I realized she want really fixing the problems I switched. As far as weight, he is on a decent amount of grain to get his weight up and he isn't being ridden currently, I am using my backup drill team horse so he can chill and get fat again and until his hooves get done good XD. As far as Starbuck, I knew she had some issues and that is why most of her riding is just little kids, and walk, maybe trot. She was broken at like green broke at age 2 before she was developed and then bred at late age 2/early age 3 which also should not have happened. Then her next owner's idea of finishing training her was that if she wasn't perfect she didn't get fed, and then I got her to save her from that. Doc is very low on muscle because he is pretty much retired except like maybe once every 4 months when my nephews come and I led my youngest around on him, so he doesn't really have anything to keep his weight up, and he is standing very scrunched up, but he wouldn't stretch XD. And lastly, I did know that Novak had a better chance at lameness, because he was lame when I got him (I wouldn't have gotten him, but his owner was still riding him even though he was clearly lame, so I got him). I am currently training my other QH gelding(not Doc or Novak) to do drill team along with my Thoroughbred mare so Novak can be a chill trail ride horse. Overall, Thank you for your two cents! |
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Heaven on Earth said:
That is what I wanted! As far as hooves, the farrier is scheduled to come out in like two days because they all need their hooves done again to stay on schedule (Novaks grow out so fast that he gets his tripped so freaking often), also I did just switch farriers because I did not like what my old farrier was doing. I didn't know anything about farrier work until about a month ago and when I realized she want really fixing the problems I switched. As far as weight, he is on a decent amount of grain to get his weight up and he isn't being ridden currently, I am using my backup drill team horse so he can chill and get fat again and until his hooves get done good XD. As far as Starbuck, I knew she had some issues and that is why most of her riding is just little kids, and walk, maybe trot. She was broken at like green broke at age 2 before she was developed and then bred at late age 2/early age 3 which also should not have happened. Then her next owner's idea of finishing training her was that if she wasn't perfect she didn't get fed, and then I got her to save her from that. Doc is very low on muscle because he is pretty much retired except like maybe once every 4 months when my nephews come and I led my youngest around on him, so he doesn't really have anything to keep his weight up, and he is standing very scrunched up, but he wouldn't stretch XD. And lastly, I did know that Novak had a better chance at lameness, because he was lame when I got him (I wouldn't have gotten him, but his owner was still riding him even though he was clearly lame, so I got him). I am currently training my other QH gelding(not Doc or Novak) to do drill team along with my Thoroughbred mare so Novak can be a chill trail ride horse. Overall, Thank you for your two cents!
Nice, nice! See, this is why I was making more of suggestions. I had no clue what the situations were or what is going on over there! I'm so happy you took these guys in though! It sounds like they have a very great home! ^^ |
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This is one of my horses. A half brother to her is on page 1 of this thread. This big brat is Leilani. She is out of a granddaughter of Hollywood Dunit and a grandson of Temon. She turns 7 the end of March. She has had 2 foals, one in 2020 and the other in 2018. She is about 15.3. Leilani is mainly a barrel/pole horse, but she is learning to work cattle right now and is a very brave trail horse. She'll go up, down, or through pretty anything. We've even done a little bit of trotting and loping over poles, and she's proven to be mucb braver than her brother. She's a bit out of shape right now since we've only just started really riding again now that her foal is weaned. The only good picture I could get of her is her profile picture. I sort of got a front leg shot, but something caught her attention, and her left leg is twisted weird in the only clear picture I could get. She was too excited and fidgety after that to get more pictures of. She can be incredibly high energy. It is muddy here, so she's not clean, but she's still spunky and full of attitude.  . . |
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I was finally able to remember to get conformation shots of my half-lease when I was at the barn today. Sorry if the lighting looks weird, there isn't the best lighting in this barn. If you wish to see the unedited and light adjusted images, message me and I will send them to you. Also if his feet look a little long, he is scheduled to be redone on the 20th.    His name is Koko, short for Kokopelli, we do not know what his breeds are, but we suspect that he is a QH, TB, and maybe ISH and/or a tiny bit of Arab cross. He has put on a lot of muscle and his fitness level has risen significantly, but it is now winter, so he is losing some of the muscle that was gained from jumping. He only showed lower level eventing this past year, but normally does both Eventing and Dressage shows. We have been competing Novice together, and he has a limit of one or two Trainings in his life time. He is currently showing First Level dressage, but also has the ability to show the Prelim eventing tests at a dressage show. |
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Daisy, the conformation on your mare is absolutely pristine. I can't pick out one thing that could be different on her. A very very nice, fancy looking horse you have there! |
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Holly Hill Farm said:
Daisy, the conformation on your mare is absolutely pristine. I can't pick out one thing that could be different on her. A very very nice, fancy looking horse you have there!
Thank you so much!!! <3 |
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Alright. Here are the two horses I’ve been trying recently and love so much but I’m not sure my bank account can take 120-160k being put into horses. I’d like to see what you think of their confirmation. The mare is facing left, she’s a 10 year old 1.20/1.25 jumper, and the gelding is facing right, he’s a 8 year old 1.35/1.40 jumper. Not that I can jump 4’6” yet or anything but they listen on the 3’6” baby Sean (aka me) jumps as well. The mare: The gelding: Mod edit: do not post copyrighted images |
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@Memory Lane Equine They are both absolutely lovely (and apparently made) horses! You're very lucky to be able to horse shop on such a budget. Both of them seem super solid. The mare is built more uphill and will probably have a more jumper-like way of going and self-carriage. She has large shoulder and smaller hindquarters, but her hind end can be beefed up with the right conditioning program. As she is right now, her smaller hind end makes it look like she is longer in the first third of her body, and gives the appearance that she fades away the further back you go. Not to a very large extent, but the tendancy is there. One niggle-- she is a bit more sloping than ideal in her front pasterns. Luckily they aren't the dreaded long AND sloping, but it is an important consideration in a horse who's primary job will be jumping at the height who are talking about. I don't think it is a dealbreaker flaw though. The gelding is also beautiful, and looks to be more of a hunter type. He has a little more bone and substance than the mare without being coarse, which is very trendy for the hunter ring. These more solid types tend to hold up well to hard work, and if you're going to be paying this much for a horse, you want them to be consistently sound and useful! I don't think you could go wrong with either of these horses, so long as they are appropriate for you in terms of budget, personality, experience, etc. Their conformation shouldn't hold you back from any English discipline! |
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Clear with Temps dropping into the Teens
