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FirstLightFarms
01:46:26 puck
Oh thats so good! My guy isnt quite "lob a blanket on" level yet but its so rewarding watching how confident they can become
Minerva
01:45:19 Min
Absolutely haha. I'm really proud of him though- he arrived at the end of May vaguely leadable but pretty much feral and had to live in the field shelter for a week. Now he's out in the field with no headcollar 24/7 and I can lob a rug onto him while he's loose without him lifting his head
Red Horizon Ranch
01:44:39 Red
Yeah Boulder so relatable. I try to let my horse initiate touch and the things we do whenever possible. Like take the extra five minutes to let her walk up to me in the field instead of going out and getting her, pause when she turns her head away when brushing, etc. It changes the game truly and has honestly completely changed how I go about life in general, for the better. Horses have so little autonomy in our world so the little things like that we can do means so much to them. When I’m bridling a horse or anything like that I notice that they will maybe seem like they’re saying no initially by turning away or something. If you notice and respect that a lot of the time they will immediately put their nose in after, where if you had tried to chase after them it probably would escalate. That whole philosophy just means a lot to me
Boulder Creek
01:43:32 
Speaking of training
- I saw incredible training with Dan of Double Dan
What he can do with horses is amazing
I was enthralled with the Road To The Horse exhibition
Silver Melody Acres
01:42:08 Solar - KNNs
Typical gangly teenage boy XD
Minerva
01:40:50 Min
Haha I'll put a bit less pressure on myself then thank you. I'm hoping to get some poles before the end of the year so we can do some proprioception work because my goodness that boy doesn't know where his feet are xD Plus side is he doesn't mind things being around his legs whatsoever since he's so used to wandering into things
Pentagram Stables
01:40:06 Penta - KNNs
No lines, and no chasing. You just don't know our way and I'll leave it at that.
Boulder Creek
01:39:59 
I wasn't a super fan of Warwick until I saw an article heading that said something like Let Your Horse Approach You
(Yes literally only read the title)
And it's made a Huge improvement in my interactions with the horses at the barn.
I can have the stall door open and have them between me at it (huge outdoor pen) and they will chose to come to me and boop my hand without any interaction besides standing still.

And I saw a video where he said don't touch the horse until they touch you and they will tell you where to touch

(Some of it feels woowoo, but it's making a difference in the relationships between the horses and I)
Red Horizon Ranch
01:38:37 Red
Yeah of course, it’s definitely a trust the process kind of exercise you have to be patient and you’ll feel like you’re not doing anything but worth it. I enjoy when training feels more collaborative with our animal friends, worth the time it takes
FirstLightFarms
01:37:19 puck
And seconding Warwick Schiller, he's one of the few clinicians I really respect.
FirstLightFarms
01:36:44 puck
Awww good pony! It just sounds like typical laziness/not being confident enough to carry himself forward. He'll get there!
Minerva
01:35:18 Min
Ooh I'll have a look at that one, thanks Red!
Minerva
01:34:16 Min
Haha exactly Puck! I'm hoping the more we go out the more keen he'll be to get on with it. He's a very good chap overall- and he's even happy to walk out in front of Minnie if I've got someone to lead her. He met his first tractor last night and was a 10/10 brave boy bless him
FirstLightFarms
01:34:09 puck
Unless your lunge lunge is 200 feet long it's gonna be a small circle lol
Red Horizon Ranch
01:33:01 Red
And no chasing, showing them who’s boss, etc. necessary. I really don’t enjoy having to do that kind of thing and good news, you really basically never have to XD
Pentagram Stables
01:32:36 Penta - KNNs
I said nothing about small circles, but whatever.
We have a different view of how to do things with 2 yr olds.
Red Horizon Ranch
01:31:35 Red
I really like Warwick Schiller’s “leading with energy” exercise for staying in the right position/responsiveness when leading, my mate was so “lazy” seeming and wanted to be directly behind me while leading, would pin her ears and swish tail when asked to go forward, it worked incredibly well
Minerva
01:31:33 Min
To be honest the maximum I'd ever lunge any horse is like 20 minutes, and that would be their entire work for the day. It has it's place but isn't my preferred method for anything
FirstLightFarms
01:30:53 puck
Min, he sounds like my pony! Just needs to learn a little responsibility about walking forward instead of being dragged every step 😂
FirstLightFarms
01:30:05 puck
Yeah it'd hurt, small circles are the worst for babies. Great way to do damage to their joints. And chasing a horse on the line isnt exactly the best way to establish you're in charge 🙃

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FirstLightFarms
01:46:26 puck
Oh thats so good! My guy isnt quite "lob a blanket on" level yet but its so rewarding watching how confident they can become
Minerva
01:45:19 Min
Absolutely haha. I'm really proud of him though- he arrived at the end of May vaguely leadable but pretty much feral and had to live in the field shelter for a week. Now he's out in the field with no headcollar 24/7 and I can lob a rug onto him while he's loose without him lifting his head
Red Horizon Ranch
01:44:39 Red
Yeah Boulder so relatable. I try to let my horse initiate touch and the things we do whenever possible. Like take the extra five minutes to let her walk up to me in the field instead of going out and getting her, pause when she turns her head away when brushing, etc. It changes the game truly and has honestly completely changed how I go about life in general, for the better. Horses have so little autonomy in our world so the little things like that we can do means so much to them. When I’m bridling a horse or anything like that I notice that they will maybe seem like they’re saying no initially by turning away or something. If you notice and respect that a lot of the time they will immediately put their nose in after, where if you had tried to chase after them it probably would escalate. That whole philosophy just means a lot to me
Boulder Creek
01:43:32 
Speaking of training
- I saw incredible training with Dan of Double Dan
What he can do with horses is amazing
I was enthralled with the Road To The Horse exhibition
Silver Melody Acres
01:42:08 Solar - KNNs
Typical gangly teenage boy XD
Minerva
01:40:50 Min
Haha I'll put a bit less pressure on myself then thank you. I'm hoping to get some poles before the end of the year so we can do some proprioception work because my goodness that boy doesn't know where his feet are xD Plus side is he doesn't mind things being around his legs whatsoever since he's so used to wandering into things
Pentagram Stables
01:40:06 Penta - KNNs
No lines, and no chasing. You just don't know our way and I'll leave it at that.
Boulder Creek
01:39:59 
I wasn't a super fan of Warwick until I saw an article heading that said something like Let Your Horse Approach You
(Yes literally only read the title)
And it's made a Huge improvement in my interactions with the horses at the barn.
I can have the stall door open and have them between me at it (huge outdoor pen) and they will chose to come to me and boop my hand without any interaction besides standing still.

And I saw a video where he said don't touch the horse until they touch you and they will tell you where to touch

(Some of it feels woowoo, but it's making a difference in the relationships between the horses and I)
Red Horizon Ranch
01:38:37 Red
Yeah of course, it’s definitely a trust the process kind of exercise you have to be patient and you’ll feel like you’re not doing anything but worth it. I enjoy when training feels more collaborative with our animal friends, worth the time it takes
FirstLightFarms
01:37:19 puck
And seconding Warwick Schiller, he's one of the few clinicians I really respect.
FirstLightFarms
01:36:44 puck
Awww good pony! It just sounds like typical laziness/not being confident enough to carry himself forward. He'll get there!
Minerva
01:35:18 Min
Ooh I'll have a look at that one, thanks Red!
Minerva
01:34:16 Min
Haha exactly Puck! I'm hoping the more we go out the more keen he'll be to get on with it. He's a very good chap overall- and he's even happy to walk out in front of Minnie if I've got someone to lead her. He met his first tractor last night and was a 10/10 brave boy bless him
FirstLightFarms
01:34:09 puck
Unless your lunge lunge is 200 feet long it's gonna be a small circle lol
Red Horizon Ranch
01:33:01 Red
And no chasing, showing them who’s boss, etc. necessary. I really don’t enjoy having to do that kind of thing and good news, you really basically never have to XD
Pentagram Stables
01:32:36 Penta - KNNs
I said nothing about small circles, but whatever.
We have a different view of how to do things with 2 yr olds.
Red Horizon Ranch
01:31:35 Red
I really like Warwick Schiller’s “leading with energy” exercise for staying in the right position/responsiveness when leading, my mate was so “lazy” seeming and wanted to be directly behind me while leading, would pin her ears and swish tail when asked to go forward, it worked incredibly well
Minerva
01:31:33 Min
To be honest the maximum I'd ever lunge any horse is like 20 minutes, and that would be their entire work for the day. It has it's place but isn't my preferred method for anything
FirstLightFarms
01:30:53 puck
Min, he sounds like my pony! Just needs to learn a little responsibility about walking forward instead of being dragged every step 😂
FirstLightFarms
01:30:05 puck
Yeah it'd hurt, small circles are the worst for babies. Great way to do damage to their joints. And chasing a horse on the line isnt exactly the best way to establish you're in charge 🙃

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Supplements October 11, 2020 08:24 PM


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I have a 20 yr old Arabian gelding. Our winters are super harsh where I live and I am moving to a place with an even colder one. My gelding is in good shape. I ride him everyday, he is an awesome condition with a bit of a hay belly. He is super sassy and not at all and old man. I am a bit worried about winter though. I can't ride as much obviously and I don't want him to loose weight. I've looked into getting him a weight gain supplement. I've used Cool Calories before on another horse and that worked well. I fear that Cool Calories will just build on his hay belly and not add any fat to his top line. I've also looked into like a muscle builder. I thought maybe that would help. I don't really know where to start looking. If anyone has any thing they know works or has good things about, please share!
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So, a bag of cool calories costs 20-70 dollars, depending on the size, and you can go through a large bag quite easily in a month. I would rather just add beet pulp to your horse's feed, or alfalfa cubes, for the same price and with more calories. I had my horse on cool calories for awhile, then figured I could spend the same money and just feed him more, and it worked out better. I don't really like weight-gain supplements for this reason.
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Equine Omega Complete and Forco are great options for this. We use both of them for this exact same reason. EOC is on the more expensive side and Forco is a bit cheaper.

I would look into both:D
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FirstLightFarms said:
So, a bag of cool calories costs 20-70 dollars, depending on the size, and you can go through a large bag quite easily in a month. I would rather just add beet pulp to your horse's feed, or alfalfa cubes, for the same price and with more calories. I had my horse on cool calories for awhile, then figured I could spend the same money and just feed him more, and it worked out better. I don't really like weight-gain supplements for this reason.


He already gets a lot of grain and hay pellets due to his age and workload, I'd prefer to not add more food as it already takes a really long time for him to eat.

Edited at October 12, 2020 06:37 AM by HMH Reality Check
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Montova Acres said:
Equine Omega Complete and Forco are great options for this. We use both of them for this exact same reason. EOC is on the more expensive side and Forco is a bit cheaper.

I would look into both:D


Thank you, I will definitely look into these.
Supplements October 12, 2020 11:29 AM


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I've had good luck with Ultimate Finish, which comes in a couple "levels" of fat I believe. You only have to add 1 or 2 cups a day, so it won't add more bulk but can add a lot of palatable calories. It shouldn't contribute to the hay belly, as that is typically the result of too many carbs and not enough protein. I've heard good things about TriAmino, if you're looking to make sure he gets the right building blocks for muscle.
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EmeraldHillsFarm said:
I've had good luck with Ultimate Finish, which comes in a couple "levels" of fat I believe. You only have to add 1 or 2 cups a day, so it won't add more bulk but can add a lot of palatable calories. It shouldn't contribute to the hay belly, as that is typically the result of too many carbs and not enough protein. I've heard good things about TriAmino, if you're looking to make sure he gets the right building blocks for muscle.


Awesome, thank you!
Supplements October 13, 2020 09:19 PM

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I would definitely avoid beet pulp if you want to avoid a hay belly. I show some dairy cattle, and one thing that dairy people do with heifers is feed them a lot of beet pulp leading up to show day. They do this heifers that are too shallow and narrow in the belly and it puffs them up without putting extra fat on them since dairy cattle need to be sharp. Beet pulp helps them retain water, but doesnt have a ton of calories, so it would do the opposite of what you want. I would just go with alfalfa. Also, soaking his pellets may help him to eat easier. I've never owned an arabian so I really dont know what would work best for a horse with that kind of metabolism, but I know what the purpose of beet pulp is and that most of my animals hate it.

Edited at October 13, 2020 09:20 PM by Shingashina
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My arab mare is 22 and I had the same problem with her, I ended up putting her on this as a top dress https://www.buckeyenutrition.com/media/176244/50-gro-n-win_right-gusset.png It helped her alot and made her shiny and have a nice topline! I gave her about 3/4 a cup of it every feeding.

Edited at October 17, 2020 06:34 PM by Rosewater Eventing
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