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Shadow Mtn
08:24:03 
I manage vacation rentals now. I once had a gentleman call me at 4:45 am to tell me the power was out and asked what I planned on doing about it because if his wife woke at 5 and didn't have coffee waiting on her, there would be hell to pay. I asked him what he would like for me to do? was I supposed to find the issue, climb the pole, and reattach it? He didn't appreciate my sentiment but c'mon, woken out of dead sleep at that time of morning, my adrenaline spiked
Gemstone Stable
08:24:00 Snow❆Gem
@eury

O.o That Luigi guy was caught in a nearby county... I'm sure he was thinking about taking Amtrak or the Greyhound... Both have hubs in Altoona.
Dark Horse Eventing
08:21:50 Ebony
Hi everyone ... I have purchased some water balloons but now do I 'hurl' them at other players?
The Old Gods
08:19:17 Void Malign
I had a coworker get a case where the doctor wrote a letter that stated "This is why (guy who killed UHC CEO) did what he did." Pretty sure it got escalated as a death threat.
Rain Plains
08:15:47 Kelan/Rain
Entitled people are why i think everyone should be in retail for at least 6 months. The mentally ill or people on drugs are why I don't think anyone should be in retail. Best story I have involved a storage unit, 3 boxes of adult content, and a divorce
Skyward Stud
08:11:32 Skrangle
this is my favourite retail story of mine.

a customer came in after closing - Mon-Fri the deli closes at 8pm while the rest of the store closes at 9pm - and demands food. the deli was visibly closed, too. the lights were off and all the stuff in the case was covered in plastic, the seafood was put away, there were SIGNS UP ON THE DAMN CASE saying "we are closed go away".

I politely tell this lady that we're closed and she proceeds to argue with me. I was at the end of a 9 hour shift and was beyond exhausted at that point, so I had little patience for her nonsense. we argued for about 5 minutes before she goes "how will you compensate me for this inconvenience" and I very loudly said "we won't! we're closed! it sucks to suck!"

she goes to the manager on duty who's one of my closest friends to complain, and he goes "well... they *are* closed. it *does* suck to suck."
Shadow Mtn
07:58:26 
Have to chime in here, I worked for CVS. Had a drunk guy come in around closing, go to the restroom, and come out naked. Yep, as the day he was born. He said he thought he was home and going to take a shower.
Black Dragon Stable
07:58:01 BDS / Black / Stormy
I don't even have a degree. I got 'lucky' and got my foot in the door, but then the family friend who got me in retired and we also had a new director come in, and that's when it got really really bad.
Paradise Stables
07:52:07 Ariel / Tara
What breed is the most likely to be captured with tobiano?
Shroom
07:47:35 
Black, what's funny is I got my MLIS and thought I wanted to work in a library. I won't go near any public ones, at best I will work at a university library.
Minerva
07:41:57 Min
Gosh im glad im not customer facing haha. When I worked at a riding school I had a kid refuse to ride a pony because it was the wrong colour once- that didn't go down well funnily enough haha
Black Dragon Stable
07:33:01 BDS / Black / Stormy
Now I just get yelled at by stressed out managers and nod and nod and nod until they go away and then ignore whatever it was they were yelling at me about while they go yell at someone else after me.
Boulder Creek
07:29:54 
I'm glad the only ones I work with swish their tails and bang on the gate if I'm late with food.
Black Dragon Stable
07:29:06 BDS / Black / Stormy
Oh, I got the cops called on me because one of the mentally disabled got mad I told her she couldn't check out the stack of 20 DVDs she had (only 3) and she started screaming that I stole her wallet. Almost forgot about that one!
Black Dragon Stable
07:26:39 BDS / Black / Stormy
What's sad? At the time I lived in a town of 6000 people. In the midwest. In the middle of a cornfield where there was supposedly next to zero crime.
CWY country
07:26:21 C
@Stormy
That's nuts.
Black Dragon Stable
07:25:13 BDS / Black / Stormy
Boss writing me up for fear mongering when I told coworkers the doctor told me I most likely had covid but I didn't qualify for a test early 2020 when that all kicked off (she told me I just had a bad sinus infection. I got further in trouble after I asked her when and where she got her medical degree?)

I no longer work at a library. lol. Now I go sling boxes at Amazon where I have no customer/patron interaction.
Skyward Stud
07:25:09 Skrangle
Jesus Mary and Joseph
Black Dragon Stable
07:21:48 BDS / Black / Stormy
Having to call the cops because of the not all there peeps decided to start destroying the children's area because the aliens were coming out of the shelves to get them.
Black Dragon Stable
07:20:46 BDS / Black / Stormy
Getting screamed at over a 30 cent fine and death threats because of it. Library staff stalkers....

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Shadow Mtn
08:24:03 
I manage vacation rentals now. I once had a gentleman call me at 4:45 am to tell me the power was out and asked what I planned on doing about it because if his wife woke at 5 and didn't have coffee waiting on her, there would be hell to pay. I asked him what he would like for me to do? was I supposed to find the issue, climb the pole, and reattach it? He didn't appreciate my sentiment but c'mon, woken out of dead sleep at that time of morning, my adrenaline spiked
Gemstone Stable
08:24:00 Snow❆Gem
@eury

O.o That Luigi guy was caught in a nearby county... I'm sure he was thinking about taking Amtrak or the Greyhound... Both have hubs in Altoona.
Dark Horse Eventing
08:21:50 Ebony
Hi everyone ... I have purchased some water balloons but now do I 'hurl' them at other players?
The Old Gods
08:19:17 Void Malign
I had a coworker get a case where the doctor wrote a letter that stated "This is why (guy who killed UHC CEO) did what he did." Pretty sure it got escalated as a death threat.
Rain Plains
08:15:47 Kelan/Rain
Entitled people are why i think everyone should be in retail for at least 6 months. The mentally ill or people on drugs are why I don't think anyone should be in retail. Best story I have involved a storage unit, 3 boxes of adult content, and a divorce
Skyward Stud
08:11:32 Skrangle
this is my favourite retail story of mine.

a customer came in after closing - Mon-Fri the deli closes at 8pm while the rest of the store closes at 9pm - and demands food. the deli was visibly closed, too. the lights were off and all the stuff in the case was covered in plastic, the seafood was put away, there were SIGNS UP ON THE DAMN CASE saying "we are closed go away".

I politely tell this lady that we're closed and she proceeds to argue with me. I was at the end of a 9 hour shift and was beyond exhausted at that point, so I had little patience for her nonsense. we argued for about 5 minutes before she goes "how will you compensate me for this inconvenience" and I very loudly said "we won't! we're closed! it sucks to suck!"

she goes to the manager on duty who's one of my closest friends to complain, and he goes "well... they *are* closed. it *does* suck to suck."
Shadow Mtn
07:58:26 
Have to chime in here, I worked for CVS. Had a drunk guy come in around closing, go to the restroom, and come out naked. Yep, as the day he was born. He said he thought he was home and going to take a shower.
Black Dragon Stable
07:58:01 BDS / Black / Stormy
I don't even have a degree. I got 'lucky' and got my foot in the door, but then the family friend who got me in retired and we also had a new director come in, and that's when it got really really bad.
Paradise Stables
07:52:07 Ariel / Tara
What breed is the most likely to be captured with tobiano?
Shroom
07:47:35 
Black, what's funny is I got my MLIS and thought I wanted to work in a library. I won't go near any public ones, at best I will work at a university library.
Minerva
07:41:57 Min
Gosh im glad im not customer facing haha. When I worked at a riding school I had a kid refuse to ride a pony because it was the wrong colour once- that didn't go down well funnily enough haha
Black Dragon Stable
07:33:01 BDS / Black / Stormy
Now I just get yelled at by stressed out managers and nod and nod and nod until they go away and then ignore whatever it was they were yelling at me about while they go yell at someone else after me.
Boulder Creek
07:29:54 
I'm glad the only ones I work with swish their tails and bang on the gate if I'm late with food.
Black Dragon Stable
07:29:06 BDS / Black / Stormy
Oh, I got the cops called on me because one of the mentally disabled got mad I told her she couldn't check out the stack of 20 DVDs she had (only 3) and she started screaming that I stole her wallet. Almost forgot about that one!
Black Dragon Stable
07:26:39 BDS / Black / Stormy
What's sad? At the time I lived in a town of 6000 people. In the midwest. In the middle of a cornfield where there was supposedly next to zero crime.
CWY country
07:26:21 C
@Stormy
That's nuts.
Black Dragon Stable
07:25:13 BDS / Black / Stormy
Boss writing me up for fear mongering when I told coworkers the doctor told me I most likely had covid but I didn't qualify for a test early 2020 when that all kicked off (she told me I just had a bad sinus infection. I got further in trouble after I asked her when and where she got her medical degree?)

I no longer work at a library. lol. Now I go sling boxes at Amazon where I have no customer/patron interaction.
Skyward Stud
07:25:09 Skrangle
Jesus Mary and Joseph
Black Dragon Stable
07:21:48 BDS / Black / Stormy
Having to call the cops because of the not all there peeps decided to start destroying the children's area because the aliens were coming out of the shelves to get them.
Black Dragon Stable
07:20:46 BDS / Black / Stormy
Getting screamed at over a 30 cent fine and death threats because of it. Library staff stalkers....

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Bell’s pricing guide January 11, 2020 07:02 PM


Phantasm Farm
 
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How to price your art.

There’s been a lot of questions recently about pricing art and I thought I’d share how I go about my pricing that I have developed over the years.

Pricing depends on your artistic abilities to fill out any potential orders. If you set yourself a price based on the quality of your example work but then can’t complete an order to the quality of your example work then there is a pricing discrepancy and should be reviewed.

These are the questions I have asked myself over the years to determine my own pricing.

Can I neatly cut out horse stock and place it on a background?

Can I get the horse stock to look like it fits on the background and look natural?

If you said yes to both these questions add 30K onto your start price. These two steps are the base fundamentals for getting a piece to work.

Can I confidently colour change a horse from the three base coats to another base coat? (Black, bay or Chestnut)

Can I add white markings (including roan or minimal paint)?

Can I alter the lighting of the horse and add highlights and low lights neatly?

Can I remove tack neatly?

Can I make the mane and tail look flowy and like hair (doesn’t matter if it’s smudged or painted).

If you can do the majority of these steps I’d list you as a tier two artist and price work between 80-100K

If you can do some of these steps price your work between 40-80k.

These are the basic fundamentals for art. Once you master these, onwards and upwards!

Can I confidently colour change any horse colour to the desired coat?

Can I add extreme white markings or fantasy style markings while keeping underlying details?

Can I fully rework a mane or tail to my desired aesthetic?

Do I have the ability to make the horse interact with items or animals in my piece?

If you said yes to most of these questions then I’d consider you a Tier 1 artist.

Base Price is 100K and going upwards based on ability and technical expertise.

The most important question is:

Am I confident that I’ll be able to fulfil most art requests/orders to my standard of work for customer satisfaction, for the price that I am asking?

If you are very confident in your abilities to meet and fulfil any orders and you have a pleasing aesthetic style I’d price art at 250K upwards if your shop is constantly filling up with orders.

Some things to keep in mind as you choose a price for your art.

Since coming back to HEE, considering my own ability and my amount of time to create HEE art, I always charge a fee for my time when doing a piece, this is included in the price. This depends on my available time for the foreseeable future and how sought after art is.

Everyone has their own distinctive style and growth, this is what makes the art community so great! Just because your style doesn’t fit the conventional norms doesn’t mean it’s not appreciated or valued.

A good understanding of anatomy and movement I find is the biggest difference in making an art piece good or great. Often times artists will need to repaint or add in details. Understanding the fundamental planes of the face and body is paramount in this. This is also important in body modifications.

Just because you can technically complete an order doesn’t mean you have too. Sometimes you have orders that goes against your artistic muse greatly. It’s alright to talk to the person and see if they will change their order or in some cases cancel.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer them.


Edited at January 13, 2020 02:39 AM by Phantasm Farm
Bell’s pricing guide January 12, 2020 07:26 AM


Sunset Grove Farm
 
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This ussher helpful bell thanks so much!
Bell’s pricing guide January 12, 2020 10:31 AM

Vintage valley
 
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Ahh, thank you so much!
However, I have a question.
I'm kinda stuck. I got passed the first 'stages' (30k). I can do 4/5 on the second (40-80k), but I can also do 3/5 on the 100k+.
So, I'm guessing to stay within the 40-80k range, but I would like some opinions xD
Bell’s pricing guide January 12, 2020 12:31 PM

Former Stable
 
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Ethereal Eventers said:
Ahh, thank you so much!
However, I have a question.
I'm kinda stuck. I got passed the first 'stages' (30k). I can do 4/5 on the second (40-80k), but I can also do 3/5 on the 100k+.
So, I'm guessing to stay within the 40-80k range, but I would like some opinions xD


^^Curious
Bell’s pricing guide January 13, 2020 08:35 PM


Phantasm Farm
 
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Ethereal Eventers said:
Ahh, thank you so much!
However, I have a question.
I'm kinda stuck. I got passed the first 'stages' (30k). I can do 4/5 on the second (40-80k), but I can also do 3/5 on the 100k+.
So, I'm guessing to stay within the 40-80k range, but I would like some opinions xD


Ethereal for the moment I’d stick between the 30-60K range.
While your cuts are nice and neat, your grounding needs more work and I think this is what’s holding you back. The main thing with grounding is to make sure the horse looks part of the landscape. This means that your horses have shadows or if they’re standing in water have reflections. The background tone and horse tone must also match. So if you have a blue themed background you colour balance or correct the horse so it also has a blue tone for example. Try to get the background lighting and horse lighting to match up as well as that will also have a huge effect in grounding.
It’s great that you’re practising and incorporating technical points from all the questions. The only way to get better is to practise. I would really try to master each bunch of questions before you go up a tier as it helps raise your confidence in your abilities as an artist while teaching you the fundamentals.
If you feel like you’re ready to raise your prices go ahead, I have raised and then lowered prices before so I can get the best value for my artwork. If you feel like you don’t get enough business after raising prices simply lower them again to a mid value between the original price and the raised price.
Bell’s pricing guide January 13, 2020 08:44 PM

Former Stable
 
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Thanks, this is really helpful <3. I feel like I burn out when I only charge 35k for pieces that I spend a lot of time on. This gives me a checklist of things to work on :)

Bell’s pricing guide January 13, 2020 08:59 PM


Jellos Warmbloods
 
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*taps finger to lip*

Hmmmmm.

I think according to this im in the 40k range. XD

Bell’s pricing guide January 13, 2020 10:22 PM

Vintage valley
 
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Phantasm Farm said:

Ethereal Eventers said:
Ahh, thank you so much!
However, I have a question.
I'm kinda stuck. I got passed the first 'stages' (30k). I can do 4/5 on the second (40-80k), but I can also do 3/5 on the 100k+.
So, I'm guessing to stay within the 40-80k range, but I would like some opinions xD


Ethereal for the moment I’d stick between the 30-60K range.
While your cuts are nice and neat, your grounding needs more work and I think this is what’s holding you back. The main thing with grounding is to make sure the horse looks part of the landscape. This means that your horses have shadows or if they’re standing in water have reflections. The background tone and horse tone must also match. So if you have a blue themed background you colour balance or correct the horse so it also has a blue tone for example. Try to get the background lighting and horse lighting to match up as well as that will also have a huge effect in grounding.
It’s great that you’re practising and incorporating technical points from all the questions. The only way to get better is to practise. I would really try to master each bunch of questions before you go up a tier as it helps raise your confidence in your abilities as an artist while teaching you the fundamentals.
If you feel like you’re ready to raise your prices go ahead, I have raised and then lowered prices before so I can get the best value for my artwork. If you feel like you don’t get enough business after raising prices simply lower them again to a mid value between the original price and the raised price.


Wowsa, thank you so much! My most recents haven't been my best works, and I will definitely use this to help. Very so much appreciated!
Bell’s pricing guide January 17, 2020 05:34 AM


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Rumble Team
 
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This is super helpful! Thank you!
Bell’s pricing guide February 11, 2020 08:19 PM


Vixen Creek
 
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I'll definitely reference this when I open up my shop. Thank you!

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