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The Old Gods
03:22:12 Void Malign
Yes, my cats are spoiled. No I will not take questions lmao
Willow Wood Stable
03:18:23 Lo l Jo
Void

Koda crawls underneath blankets when there's a storm. He prefers if it's draped over me so he can hide between my legs and the couch with the blanket covering him, but he burrows into my bedding if I'm not sitting down.
The Old Gods
03:16:35 Void Malign
She's very food orientated, so I think I'd be able to teach her to be accepting of a shirt
The Old Gods
03:16:11 Void Malign
Pup just wants to hide and wedge herself between me and the chair. She wants the security of pressure, so that's why I'm wondering if a shirt would help.
Angel Haven
03:16:11 
I like that Lo
Willow Wood Stable
03:15:19 Lo l Jo
Angel Haven

Maybe Echoing Shadows?
Versailles
03:13:54 Versa
I often use cat grass for Sketti, as he likes rubbing against it and he won't shake anymore. I know there are some cat-safe herbs that can be used. But if you try a shirt, I'd be curious to know results!
Angel Haven
03:12:44 
What's a good name for this filly?
-HEE Click-
Fantasy Horses
03:12:35 Fantasy
And if you forget here's the forum that explains it:
-HEE Click-
The Old Gods
03:12:07 Void Malign
SHe just gets super upset during storms. Hot ears and her paw pads sweat
Fantasy Horses
03:12:00 Fantasy
Lo
No problem! I'm glad it worked!
Willow Wood Stable
03:11:47 Lo l Jo
Fantasy

That FINALLY worked. Thank you and my apologies for my incompetence lmao.
The Old Gods
03:11:04 Void Malign
Hard to say. I can ask mom if she has a spare dog shirt I can try on her.
Fantasy Horses
03:10:40 Fantasy
The last resort (that usually works for me) would be to download the image, upload it to a hosting site, then copy the link and paste it into the "insert image" section.
Fantasy Horses
03:09:40 Fantasy
Try "copy image address", then paste that into the post
Versailles
03:09:26 Versa
Eury, I bet the cat would just flop over and refuse to move lol
Willow Wood Stable
03:08:43 Lo l Jo
I tried doing the image insert as well, but it just keeps asking for a source and an alternate description.
Willow Wood Stable
03:08:18 Lo l Jo
PC!
Fantasy Horses
03:07:21 Fantasy
Lo
Hm... Are you on PC o mobile?
Willow Wood Stable
03:06:44 Lo l Jo
I'm trying to enter one of my foals into the CQE FOTY contest

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The Old Gods
03:22:12 Void Malign
Yes, my cats are spoiled. No I will not take questions lmao
Willow Wood Stable
03:18:23 Lo l Jo
Void

Koda crawls underneath blankets when there's a storm. He prefers if it's draped over me so he can hide between my legs and the couch with the blanket covering him, but he burrows into my bedding if I'm not sitting down.
The Old Gods
03:16:35 Void Malign
She's very food orientated, so I think I'd be able to teach her to be accepting of a shirt
The Old Gods
03:16:11 Void Malign
Pup just wants to hide and wedge herself between me and the chair. She wants the security of pressure, so that's why I'm wondering if a shirt would help.
Angel Haven
03:16:11 
I like that Lo
Willow Wood Stable
03:15:19 Lo l Jo
Angel Haven

Maybe Echoing Shadows?
Versailles
03:13:54 Versa
I often use cat grass for Sketti, as he likes rubbing against it and he won't shake anymore. I know there are some cat-safe herbs that can be used. But if you try a shirt, I'd be curious to know results!
Angel Haven
03:12:44 
What's a good name for this filly?
-HEE Click-
Fantasy Horses
03:12:35 Fantasy
And if you forget here's the forum that explains it:
-HEE Click-
The Old Gods
03:12:07 Void Malign
SHe just gets super upset during storms. Hot ears and her paw pads sweat
Fantasy Horses
03:12:00 Fantasy
Lo
No problem! I'm glad it worked!
Willow Wood Stable
03:11:47 Lo l Jo
Fantasy

That FINALLY worked. Thank you and my apologies for my incompetence lmao.
The Old Gods
03:11:04 Void Malign
Hard to say. I can ask mom if she has a spare dog shirt I can try on her.
Fantasy Horses
03:10:40 Fantasy
The last resort (that usually works for me) would be to download the image, upload it to a hosting site, then copy the link and paste it into the "insert image" section.
Fantasy Horses
03:09:40 Fantasy
Try "copy image address", then paste that into the post
Versailles
03:09:26 Versa
Eury, I bet the cat would just flop over and refuse to move lol
Willow Wood Stable
03:08:43 Lo l Jo
I tried doing the image insert as well, but it just keeps asking for a source and an alternate description.
Willow Wood Stable
03:08:18 Lo l Jo
PC!
Fantasy Horses
03:07:21 Fantasy
Lo
Hm... Are you on PC o mobile?
Willow Wood Stable
03:06:44 Lo l Jo
I'm trying to enter one of my foals into the CQE FOTY contest

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Stifle OCD November 2, 2024 08:48 PM


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Hey everyone! My 5yr old thoroughbred gelding, who I bought a year ago with the intention of doing the jumpers, is having problems in his right stifle. A bit of background... we spent a few thousand on an extremely thorough PPE when I got him November 2023, including flexions and xrays of his stifles, knees, fetlocks, back, hocks, and feet, a neuro exam, and a general overall exam. We did not know the vet but were told by the owners that they were great and had never seen my horse before aside from routine vaccines. We bought him from a place 12 hours away so did not know anyone else in the area.
He raced 3 times total, once at 2yrs and twice at 3 yrs old. His owners then retrained him and had him jumping 3ft in his late 3yr old year (I know, way too young). I bought him just before he turned 5. I restarted him all the way at the basics because he lacked flatwork and was overall a very difficult ride. I only jumped him a max of 18 inches, maybe 4 times. He is UTD on all chiro/farrier work and has seen the vet multiple times for the injury I will detail below. He was wearing hind shoes but is now barefoot.

In March 2024, he hairline fractured his knee by kicking his stall door. It healed great and he was never lame on it, never needed stall rest - we did the full rehab.
In May 2024, a week after starting walk/trot work, he had a freak paddock accident and tore his lateral collateral ligament in his right stifle. We did not do xrays at the original appointment since meniscal damage would not be visible until a few weeks after the injury; we assumed stifle sprain until the 3rd appointment, where we did xrays and found the damage. We put him on stall rest and he improved significantly in a month. At the 2nd appt, he was only 1.8/5 lame. After another month of stall rest, he hadn't improved at all from that point. The vet did xrays and found the torn LCL ligament. He injected his stifle and said that if there was no improvement, there was likely meniscal or cruciate ligament damage as well. We did laser therapy and Bemer throughout his rehab.
However, when my vet did the xrays, we also found an OCD lesion which the vet who did the PPE did not pick up on (it is very clear on the xrays she did when you compare his right stifle to his left). Looking back on it, he always did show some signs of stifle discomfort on his back right leg, just in the sense that he would park out occasionally. He was never lame on it.
After months of rehab and no improvement from 1.8/5 lame, with his vets advice, we decided to retire him with hopes that maybe he will come back in a few months as a flat horse. Surgery was the best option but not feasible for us. He has been turned out to the paddock and he is doing incredibly well right now. He is barefoot and looks to be about 85% sound, but not in any discomfort at the walk. He is cantering around and playing so I don't think he is in any pain.

If you've made it this far... here's my question

Does anyone have experience with this type of injury? Has anyone had a horse be comfortable in the paddock even with an OCD lesion in their stifle?
I know that surgery would be the best option, but after pouring so much money into a young horse who I've had for a short time and was meant to be a performance horse, we have to put a stop on the budget at some point, and surgery is that point.

TIA!
Stifle OCD November 3, 2024 06:20 AM


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TBH the stifle "fragments" are probably from the injury not OCD as OCD is pretty rare in TBs, its a young horse thing as the bones that are supposed to fuse, dont, generally because of growing too quickly. If XRays were done prior to the injury, they would have been visible then.

The easiest thing to do is request the original XRays to confirm.

Regardless, OCD or injury, "floating" bone will always be problamatic. I've worked with a horse who had OCD surgery on her knee, prior to surgery she'd be on and off lame, swelling was present most of the time. After surgery (done when she was 2) she had full soundness recovery.

Stifle OCD November 3, 2024 07:01 AM


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Cappuccino said:

TBH the stifle "fragments" are probably from the injury not OCD as OCD is pretty rare in TBs, its a young horse thing as the bones that are supposed to fuse, dont, generally because of growing too quickly. If XRays were done prior to the injury, they would have been visible then.

The easiest thing to do is request the original XRays to confirm.

Regardless, OCD or injury, "floating" bone will always be problamatic. I've worked with a horse who had OCD surgery on her knee, prior to surgery she'd be on and off lame, swelling was present most of the time. After surgery (done when she was 2) she had full soundness recovery.



Thank you! It's actually an OCD lesion, not a bone chip. X-rays were done during the PPE which was prior to the injury, I have those xrays and the ones taken after the injury. My vet pointed out where the lesion is on both sets of xrays, I could see it right away after he told me. I'm glad your horse returned to soundness! :)
Stifle OCD November 3, 2024 07:14 AM


Cappuccino
 
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Blue moon mountain said:

Cappuccino said:

TBH the stifle "fragments" are probably from the injury not OCD as OCD is pretty rare in TBs, its a young horse thing as the bones that are supposed to fuse, dont, generally because of growing too quickly. If XRays were done prior to the injury, they would have been visible then.

The easiest thing to do is request the original XRays to confirm.

Regardless, OCD or injury, "floating" bone will always be problamatic. I've worked with a horse who had OCD surgery on her knee, prior to surgery she'd be on and off lame, swelling was present most of the time. After surgery (done when she was 2) she had full soundness recovery.



Thank you! It's actually an OCD lesion, not a bone chip. X-rays were done during the PPE which was prior to the injury, I have those xrays and the ones taken after the injury. My vet pointed out where the lesion is on both sets of xrays, I could see it right away after he told me. I'm glad your horse returned to soundness! :)


If its noticeable on the XRay and the PPE vet didnt say anything you might have some legal grounds there. (just saying!)
Hope everything goes ok with your boy
Stifle OCD November 3, 2024 07:45 AM


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Cappuccino said:

Blue moon mountain said:

Cappuccino said:

TBH the stifle "fragments" are probably from the injury not OCD as OCD is pretty rare in TBs, its a young horse thing as the bones that are supposed to fuse, dont, generally because of growing too quickly. If XRays were done prior to the injury, they would have been visible then.

The easiest thing to do is request the original XRays to confirm.

Regardless, OCD or injury, "floating" bone will always be problamatic. I've worked with a horse who had OCD surgery on her knee, prior to surgery she'd be on and off lame, swelling was present most of the time. After surgery (done when she was 2) she had full soundness recovery.



Thank you! It's actually an OCD lesion, not a bone chip. X-rays were done during the PPE which was prior to the injury, I have those xrays and the ones taken after the injury. My vet pointed out where the lesion is on both sets of xrays, I could see it right away after he told me. I'm glad your horse returned to soundness! :)


If its noticeable on the XRay and the PPE vet didnt say anything you might have some legal grounds there. (just saying!)
Hope everything goes ok with your boy


Thank you, me too! I really appreciate your input :)
Stifle OCD November 3, 2024 06:08 PM


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I ride cutting horses and we have horses all the time with OCD lesions. All are still competing comfortably but are well managed with different therapies and injections. It isn't an end-all diagnosis.
Stifle OCD November 4, 2024 06:11 AM


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Ambrosia said:
I ride cutting horses and we have horses all the time with OCD lesions. All are still competing comfortably but are well managed with different therapies and injections. It isn't an end-all diagnosis.


That is great to hear! Thank you :)

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