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Caprina Springs said:
Caprina Springs said:
Mossy Lane Stables said:
Both Happy Juice and Mystic Butterfly are moving forwards.
Ok, but if that were the case why wouldn't everyone move on? and then what was the point of the Preliminary round??
cool. no response told me everything i needed to know
I'm not on the Rumble team but I have held tournaments in RL, the only way it works is if you get the numbers of entries down to multiples of 8 = 32 - 16 - 8 - 4 - 2 - 1. This is why some people get a bye through to the next round. If possible you need to get all of the bye's out of the way in the first round. It wouldn't work to allow everyone through to the next round as you don't want to have any bye's as you get closer to 1st place. The Preliminary round was to get the entires down to 16, but there weren't enough entries so everyone moved forward. If multiples of 8 isn't used, theoretically somone could potentially get a bye all the way to the finals and that is not fair on the other competitors. I hope that makes sense. :) All the entries are so good, everyone has done an awesome job! It was really difficult to decide who to vote for! Good luck to you all in Round 2. |
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Caprina Springs said:
Caprina Springs said:
Mossy Lane Stables said:
Both Happy Juice and Mystic Butterfly are moving forwards.
Ok, but if that were the case why wouldn't everyone move on? and then what was the point of the Preliminary round??
cool. no response told me everything i needed to know
Due to a lack of prelim entries everyone moved to round 1. We did not have enough entries to fill a bracket. That's why there were so many non elimination entries. Happy Juice was confused about the submission date and we made an exception due to a typo. |
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HMH Reality Check said:
Caprina Springs said:
Caprina Springs said:
Mossy Lane Stables said:
Both Happy Juice and Mystic Butterfly are moving forwards.
Ok, but if that were the case why wouldn't everyone move on? and then what was the point of the Preliminary round??
cool. no response told me everything i needed to know
Due to a lack of prelim entries everyone moved to round 1. We did not have enough entries to fill a bracket. That's why there were so many non elimination entries. Happy Juice was confused about the submission date and we made an exception due to a typo.
I appreciate the response. I apologize for my earlier rudeness, just a little frustrated with what seems to be a lack of structure from an outside perspective of this whole thing. The scheduling of the rumble starting around 4th of July weekend in a mostly US based player base probably didnt help with prelim entries. I just dont find it fair at all for those who, despite the very short working time frame with the busy weekend and the fact that people do have jobs irl during the weekdays, STILL turned in their submissions don't get any credit for how difficult it actually was. And then the schedule not being upheld was very frustrating. I understand that SCF had rl things come up but they WERE active multiple times and whether my personal eye witness comes forward or not isnt relevant as Im sure other anticipating/participating people also saw that they were active multiple times. And knowing that they couldn't/didnt just shoot a PM to any of the rumble team within that time frame is definitely very odd to me. On the topic of bye's and such, that is all understandable. But what isn't understandable is then why are the same people in the same tier who have already participated in a 1v1 now doing it again in round 2?? why are they not excluded until the next round to participate in another 1v1 and have the other competitors who didnt already go through a 1v1 (IN THAT SAME CATEGORY) do a 1v1 instead. THAT is where I get very frustrated and confused bc it seems very selective at this point. Artists get little communication outside of what the general public get when this is going on. As someone who has competed in the very first Rumble(though I did not last long), I'm a little disappointed that a whole team of people are struggling when Llama was able to do it all with little to no issues (from what i remember) This contest has been fun from the start but it seems to have gone downhill, and I know that I'm not the only one that thinks or feels this way. None of this is a personal thing against any of you involved, but you have to understand that in the shoes of someone as i mentioned with the prelim now watching this unfold, is quite a bit frustrating. This is my genuine and honest feedback because I care about the Rumble contest and want to see it thrive again. |
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One queston, why aren't everyone who submitted an entry moving to the next round, since for tier 3 and 2 would then both have the 8 competitors like it was supposed to have? |
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And to be honest I think the amount of competitors should have been cut straight to 8 at the peliminary round, because now the peliminary round and this round seem quite pointless, since almost everyone who submitted an entry will move to the next round. |
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*Winter Equines* said:
One queston, why aren't everyone who submitted an entry moving to the next round, since for tier 3 and 2 would then both have the 8 competitors like it was supposed to have?
I am also genuinely confused on the time frame and how the solution fixes any of the original problems.
I also agree it is has to be frustrating to complete an entire piece only to have everyone who just wants to participate gets to move forward to round 1 with no entry required. It feels off to essentially commission several artists for the purpose to be completely nixed.
I unfortunately did witness several moments when SCF was online for an extended period of time with no communication to competitors or the public it seems.
In addition, I am completely and utterly confused on the method being used to even entries. Like why not 1v1v1? Or shorten the number of rounds..? Or start with prelim entries and only let a suitable number of entries into round 1..
All of this with respect but I can see where the frustration comes from when real people put real time and energy into things like this <3 |
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I have to agree with a lot of what Caprina said. For some artists, this is the third round (prelims, 1, 2) where they're still being told to make a piece despite not actually competing. That's a lot to ask, especially when pieces often take 5-10 hours. And then for the pieces that were created to not even be displayed until voting was over? And for the prelim pieces to not be displayed at all so far? It feels like a lot of hard work for nothing. I think many artists would be happy with fewer rounds if it meant they actually got to compete before the semifinals.
I truly do understand when RL shit happens. Buts that's why there's a team of people putting the rumble on rather than just one. I have also been around since the original rumble and I would love to see it get back to its former glory. |
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I agree with what Gem has said, but we also have to remember that we haven't had a rumble in YEARS. It's going to take a bit to get all the kinks out! I'm sure next time will be a lot smoother ran now that the team has time to review issues and mistakes. I also agree that I think the rumble needs to be a bit more flexible, as we have an unfortunately low turnout (thankfully better than the last rumble but still low), so we may have to make exceptions until we can get the advertising and popularity of this event up enough to warrant 4 rounds and a prelim round. |
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I think definitely shortening the rumble based on amount of competitors (or even have less rounds fluctuating by tier turnout) could really benefit the artists and rumble in general, but that's why we learn and grow from whatever kinks for next time! I also think the rumble team could really use a few more people to help answer questions and work it all out! :D either way we also should try to understand that RL can really make things hard, and I know firsthand that there were times I could barely log on, much less bring together any coherent thoughts or really respond to anyone, and I know the rumble team are all trying their best to make it work <3 - (edit, my brain short-circuited and i put trivia team TOT fixed that lol) |
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We will take everyone's feed back into consideration for the future, thank you all. As a team of Artists, we understand the time that goes into each piece, but we aren't necessarily asking for 100% ready pieces. We accept WIP's becase we know that life gets busy and it's on a tight schedule. If you aren't competeing against anyone, feel free to just throw a WIP in there, just make sure that the stock is recognizable. - First and foremost, let me explain the Prelims, such as we have several times already. The Prelims will be posted but it will be after the Rumble has come to an end due to the pieces having stable name/numbers. If this is a concern to you, let us know and we will fix it to the best of our ability. - Caprina Springs To answer your original question, "Are the cut off entry times upheld or were some allowed to enter regardless of whether they were entered late?" The cut off entry times are upheld, but there had been a typo on the forum that allowed for Happy Juice to get a late entry in because it technically wasn't late. If an artist doesn't submit an entry, they can't move forwards, so we take WIPs instead of the "no shows". - Any other questions and concerns can be sent my way at 325753. Please don't hesitate to reach out, and thank you everyone for your patience. |
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