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Calela Eventing
01:54:20 Cali
Sem
I've never heard of gnostic before, I did some research and its pretty interesting.
For me personally I'm a facts person and unless there is stone-proof I'm not going to believe in it.
I have respect for religious people and find religion an interesting thing. My best friend is Christian and pretty much my whole town is. As long as no one pushes it on me I have no issue at all.
I think that if there were to be a God we would have more proof? I'm not sure how to explain it.
I've read the whole bible and I see the message in it, then I look at some Christian people and see how they use their religion to do wrong things. I'm not grouping all religious people together and this is only from my experience
Siren Sound Estates
01:48:03 S҉ Sem
I'm a gnostic, meaning I believe that there is something bigger than ourselves, but I would not be able to tell what that is. If it is one god or many, and if the Christian, Jewish or Muslim take on monotheism is right. Or if, amongst the Christian Subreligions, the Catholic, the Evangelic Protestant, the Orthodox, the Anglican or some other group is in the right. So many people are claiming that their way is the only right one.. that I am pretty conviced that any God could not be that exclusive.
Calela Eventing
01:31:56 Cali
Finally hit 400k!! After all that RO chaos my bank has been restored
AP Legacy
12:42:43 ✨ Sassy
Oh I didn’t realise you hopped on the LB -HEE Click- 🥹
Transformers Acres
12:42:06 Geek, Eek
But, I also believe in other deities.
Transformers Acres
12:41:46 Geek, Eek
Cali

I mean, I do believe in God and the Holy Trinity, as does most of my family. But from what I've been made to watch, I can't act like a normal human, as it's a sin, I guess. I mean, I had a fear of going to hell. -_-
Calela Eventing
12:40:06 Cali
I’m an Atheist but my grandparents are very religious and I actually feel scared in their house. My grandmother once sent me the bible for my birthday when I was 6 and I didn’t sleep for weeks
Transformers Acres
12:37:35 Geek, Eek
Great, now my religious trauma is resurfacing. -_- Time to go sob myself to sleep.
Transformers Acres
12:11:22 Geek, Eek
Sting

Like, I do believe in God/Holy Trinity, but I also believe in other deities. I mean, religious trauma, dude. I just got over my fear of going to hell.
Narran Park
12:05:46 Sting
How frustrating Geek
North Star Ranch
12:04:46 
Narran thank you
Transformers Acres
12:02:37 Geek, Eek
I'm watching Supernatural, and my sister's Christian fiancee is tryna convince me that paganism/witchcraft is all evil. -_-
Narran Park
11:39:18 Sting
The spots do vary though
Narran Park
11:34:12 Sting
-HEE Click-

I did the lens of time on this guy with Birdcatcher, he is gorgeous!
North Star Ranch
11:30:08 
Thank you
Narran Park
11:26:42 Sting
-HEE Click-

Heres an example of Bend
North Star Ranch
11:24:20 
-HEE Click-
What is Bend Or under phenotype in a horses genetic test?
Hot 2 Trot
11:16:24 ♡Holly♡
-HEE Click-
<3
Hot 2 Trot
10:51:41 ♡Holly♡
Bye bye willow!
God is Mighty Stable
10:51:30 Willow ~ KNN Breeder
Night night guys, talk tomorrow

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Calela Eventing
01:54:20 Cali
Sem
I've never heard of gnostic before, I did some research and its pretty interesting.
For me personally I'm a facts person and unless there is stone-proof I'm not going to believe in it.
I have respect for religious people and find religion an interesting thing. My best friend is Christian and pretty much my whole town is. As long as no one pushes it on me I have no issue at all.
I think that if there were to be a God we would have more proof? I'm not sure how to explain it.
I've read the whole bible and I see the message in it, then I look at some Christian people and see how they use their religion to do wrong things. I'm not grouping all religious people together and this is only from my experience
Siren Sound Estates
01:48:03 S҉ Sem
I'm a gnostic, meaning I believe that there is something bigger than ourselves, but I would not be able to tell what that is. If it is one god or many, and if the Christian, Jewish or Muslim take on monotheism is right. Or if, amongst the Christian Subreligions, the Catholic, the Evangelic Protestant, the Orthodox, the Anglican or some other group is in the right. So many people are claiming that their way is the only right one.. that I am pretty conviced that any God could not be that exclusive.
Calela Eventing
01:31:56 Cali
Finally hit 400k!! After all that RO chaos my bank has been restored
AP Legacy
12:42:43 ✨ Sassy
Oh I didn’t realise you hopped on the LB -HEE Click- 🥹
Transformers Acres
12:42:06 Geek, Eek
But, I also believe in other deities.
Transformers Acres
12:41:46 Geek, Eek
Cali

I mean, I do believe in God and the Holy Trinity, as does most of my family. But from what I've been made to watch, I can't act like a normal human, as it's a sin, I guess. I mean, I had a fear of going to hell. -_-
Calela Eventing
12:40:06 Cali
I’m an Atheist but my grandparents are very religious and I actually feel scared in their house. My grandmother once sent me the bible for my birthday when I was 6 and I didn’t sleep for weeks
Transformers Acres
12:37:35 Geek, Eek
Great, now my religious trauma is resurfacing. -_- Time to go sob myself to sleep.
Transformers Acres
12:11:22 Geek, Eek
Sting

Like, I do believe in God/Holy Trinity, but I also believe in other deities. I mean, religious trauma, dude. I just got over my fear of going to hell.
Narran Park
12:05:46 Sting
How frustrating Geek
North Star Ranch
12:04:46 
Narran thank you
Transformers Acres
12:02:37 Geek, Eek
I'm watching Supernatural, and my sister's Christian fiancee is tryna convince me that paganism/witchcraft is all evil. -_-
Narran Park
11:39:18 Sting
The spots do vary though
Narran Park
11:34:12 Sting
-HEE Click-

I did the lens of time on this guy with Birdcatcher, he is gorgeous!
North Star Ranch
11:30:08 
Thank you
Narran Park
11:26:42 Sting
-HEE Click-

Heres an example of Bend
North Star Ranch
11:24:20 
-HEE Click-
What is Bend Or under phenotype in a horses genetic test?
Hot 2 Trot
11:16:24 ♡Holly♡
-HEE Click-
<3
Hot 2 Trot
10:51:41 ♡Holly♡
Bye bye willow!
God is Mighty Stable
10:51:30 Willow ~ KNN Breeder
Night night guys, talk tomorrow

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Tier Placement Rant January 28, 2024 02:38 PM


Versailles
 
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I've been noticing recently that we've been gaining a large collection of new T1 artists and people are suggesting T1 placement even more. These artists are very talented and I'm not saying that we have too many or that they should not be there if they're confident enough to handle it, but I do have another issue that's slowly frustrating me further and further.
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It's feeling more and more like people are just kind of stating a tier based on the examples, without taking into account how confident the artists themselves are.
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Before you claim someone is in any specific tier, please, please take some time to talk to them and see what they are and aren't comfortable with. Please. Tiers aren't a system of status. It isn't shameful to be in T2 or T3. Art it art. Sure, it sort of ranks itself by amount of practice based on the amount of EBs people ask for, but for the sake of the artist's sanity, if you talk to them and they feel they aren't ready for the demands of T1, it is NOT an insult to gently guide them towards practice and learning before stepping up. Every artist takes time to learn. It's part of the hobby, and it can be extremely overwhelming to be told to ask for 100k or more for art, and then realize that a request in one of their commissions isn't something they've ever practiced.
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If they think they can handle it, is one thing. But I really feel it should be more of a habit to ask first, get to know them, see where they themselves are at, rather than just tossing them somewhere without much discussion.
Tier Placement Rant January 28, 2024 03:05 PM


Aurorae Sport Horses
 
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Completely agree with this!
Tier Placement Rant January 28, 2024 03:38 PM


KPH Equestrian
 
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Absolutely. I'm confortable with T2 as I need a little practice with complex lighting like multiple sources, and some more difficult frame patterns. I can do hair okay, but it's not perfect. I think there are a few T1 art shops that should be T2. More people need to see this old(ish) thread. It helped me so much to decide my shop tier.
Tier Placement Rant January 28, 2024 03:44 PM


FirstLightFarms

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I do wonder if the price bracket for tiers should be adjusted to account for inflation. Some tier ones are producing pieces worth 500k+ consistently, and others are selling in the 150k range, which qualifies as T1 but is a different class from the 500k ones entirely.
Tier Placement Rant January 28, 2024 04:23 PM


Versailles
 
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FirstLightFarms said:
I do wonder if the price bracket for tiers should be adjusted to account for inflation. Some tier ones are producing pieces worth 500k+ consistently, and others are selling in the 150k range, which qualifies as T1 but is a different class from the 500k ones entirely.


I feel like this could massively help. I'd say at this point T1 should be considered 300k and higher, as most shops do not put their prices up at 500k despite auctions selling at that range. However, there's a huge gap at the moment between T1 users. The ones at 300k+, and then the ones just barely clinging to T1 because they were told, "yeah, you're T1" when their art isn't quite selling for that amount. I'm finding they're often getting less attention as such, as well.

Edited at January 28, 2024 04:30 PM by Versailles
Tier Placement Rant January 28, 2024 04:26 PM


KPH Equestrian
 
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Versailles said:

FirstLightFarms said:
I do wonder if the price bracket for tiers should be adjusted to account for inflation. Some tier ones are producing pieces worth 500k+ consistently, and others are selling in the 150k range, which qualifies as T1 but is a different class from the 500k ones entirely.


I feel like this could massively help. I'd say at this point T1 should be considered 300k and higher, as most shops do not put their prices up at 500k despite auctions selling at that range. However, there's a huge gap at the moment between T1 users. The ones at 300k+, and then the ones just barely clinging to T1 because they were told, "yeah, you're T1" when their art isn't quite selling for that amount. I'm finding they're often getting less attention as such, as well.


Yup, there are T1 shops that are constantly full, and others not so much. We could adjust it so it goes T1, T2, T3, and T4.
Tier Placement Rant January 28, 2024 04:33 PM


Versailles
 
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KPH Equestrian said:

Versailles said:

FirstLightFarms said:
I do wonder if the price bracket for tiers should be adjusted to account for inflation. Some tier ones are producing pieces worth 500k+ consistently, and others are selling in the 150k range, which qualifies as T1 but is a different class from the 500k ones entirely.


I feel like this could massively help. I'd say at this point T1 should be considered 300k and higher, as most shops do not put their prices up at 500k despite auctions selling at that range. However, there's a huge gap at the moment between T1 users. The ones at 300k+, and then the ones just barely clinging to T1 because they were told, "yeah, you're T1" when their art isn't quite selling for that amount. I'm finding they're often getting less attention as such, as well.


Yup, there are T1 shops that are constantly full, and others not so much. We could adjust it so it goes T1, T2, T3, and T4.


Back when I had slots available, they'd fill within minutes. I probably have to adjust upwards, as I haven't done that in well over a year. But that gap between full and available is so incredibly bold. Even with many of the expensive shops full and closed, people still seem to prefer to wait for them, rather than explore the newer, less expensive users. A tier below would help to close that experience gap and perhaps bring them a little more attention, as I still deeply worry they're kind of just tossed into T1 without explanation as to what to expect.
Tier Placement Rant January 28, 2024 07:50 PM


Luminescent Hollow
 
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I have to agree with this post. There is no shame in giving yourself some time and space to grow, even though at first it may feel as if there is some pressure to move up for more ebs, to move to a less crowded tier. Tiers aren't there to say anyone is bad at art, they are there to give everyone an equal chance to be noticed.
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I have not been as active recently, but I do still keep tabs on the art and artists fairly regularly, and I have noticed a significant change within the tiers as well. I have seen a few shops dive immediately into tier 1, and whether entirely their own decision or suggested by a poll or forum post (encouragement is wonderful, though as an artist I can also say, it is easy to push yourself too fast and end up burnt out, too, especially when trying to please customers), which is not inherently bad, but it is a lot of pressure to put on yourself as an artist who may be newer and still learning many skills as we all have to, while simultaneously dealing with the demand that typically comes from the T1 shops. It's a long road to find your own style and then become consistent in achieving that look, and there is great value in giving yourself a launch pad and the time to make a name for yourself, and learn what style you not only are good at, but what you enjoy doing. Art can be stressful sometimes, and it'll only be more so if you're running into things you haven't done, or maybe aren't as confident with.
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I do agree a new tier would be a good idea, as an in between for T2 and the current T1. There are a lot of great artists in T1 right now, and as the pool of artists has grown considerably over the past few years, it definitely couldn't hurt to make another space.
Tier Placement Rant January 28, 2024 08:37 PM


Tranquility
 
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Mmm. So, I'm coming with an unpopular opinion here. HOWEVER, I'll say that I definitely agree with the comments about many Tier 1s, not actually being Tier 1s and lacking confidence in their art.
But. I think if you start telling everyone to start with lower tiers to "gain confidence" they may not ever actually "gain confidence". I mean, think, how many orders have yall gotten where you said, "mm, I've never done this before but sure! Let's try it and if you don't like it I'll auction!"
I don't know about yall personally, but that was always me! And keep in mind this was a while ago when tier 1 was... tier 1 lol.
I learn by doing. And not just the same boring ol horse avis + stable sets everyone always orders in tier 2 becuase customers tend to shy away from crazy ideas in that tier becuase, again, it's tier 2 (think, and I am no way trying to offend anyone here, but if people ask for fantasy or a new/crazy idea, they go to tier 1). I personally think some artists should push out of their comfort zone and learn new ideas/techniques! And sure, definitely not everyone! AND, their are MANY other ways of ditching the comfort zone! Art contests, looking in art requests, premades&auctions etc.
So yeah, I think generally sometimes (def not a blanket statement here) putting artists asking for advice in tier placement, especially if they have certainly been auctioning of art well, and willing to branch out* that's a key part, there is absolutely no reason in my opinion that we should stick them in Tier 2/3. And usually, you will know pretty quick if your tier 1 ready or not based on sticking your shop there. I know I moved up/down several times when I was newer becuase I would take breaks and be rusty/discover something new, etc, and need to move. Art and art styles change and I do think that occasionally changing tiers needs to be accepted more. Try it, if it doesn't work, oh well, you tried and that's more than some can say. You can keep trying and shoot your shot again later!
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But yeah. That's just my food for thought. 🤷‍♀️
Too many people in Tier 1, art prices inflated, also, if your asking for advice, make sure the people who comment are credible and know that they know their stuff! 😅
<3 - Yellow
Edited to add, why have there been so many "art trolls" lately. I'm sick of all the stolen art and putting others down. Or making others feel less becuase so and so is better. So sick of it. That's my rant lol.

Edited at January 28, 2024 08:59 PM by Tranquility
Tier Placement Rant January 28, 2024 09:03 PM


Stormsong Manor

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I think we need a tier for the artists who average 350-500k+ per piece. There are a lot of us hanging out in Tier 1 with people coming in expecting to get pieces for 100k, only to be discouraged when it's way out of their budget.

Edited at January 28, 2024 09:04 PM by Stormsong Manor

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