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I've been noticing recently that we've been gaining a large collection of new T1 artists and people are suggesting T1 placement even more. These artists are very talented and I'm not saying that we have too many or that they should not be there if they're confident enough to handle it, but I do have another issue that's slowly frustrating me further and further. . It's feeling more and more like people are just kind of stating a tier based on the examples, without taking into account how confident the artists themselves are. . Before you claim someone is in any specific tier, please, please take some time to talk to them and see what they are and aren't comfortable with. Please. Tiers aren't a system of status. It isn't shameful to be in T2 or T3. Art it art. Sure, it sort of ranks itself by amount of practice based on the amount of EBs people ask for, but for the sake of the artist's sanity, if you talk to them and they feel they aren't ready for the demands of T1, it is NOT an insult to gently guide them towards practice and learning before stepping up. Every artist takes time to learn. It's part of the hobby, and it can be extremely overwhelming to be told to ask for 100k or more for art, and then realize that a request in one of their commissions isn't something they've ever practiced. . If they think they can handle it, is one thing. But I really feel it should be more of a habit to ask first, get to know them, see where they themselves are at, rather than just tossing them somewhere without much discussion. |
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Completely agree with this! |
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Absolutely. I'm confortable with T2 as I need a little practice with complex lighting like multiple sources, and some more difficult frame patterns. I can do hair okay, but it's not perfect. I think there are a few T1 art shops that should be T2. More people need to see this old(ish) thread. It helped me so much to decide my shop tier. |
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I do wonder if the price bracket for tiers should be adjusted to account for inflation. Some tier ones are producing pieces worth 500k+ consistently, and others are selling in the 150k range, which qualifies as T1 but is a different class from the 500k ones entirely. |
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FirstLightFarms said:
I do wonder if the price bracket for tiers should be adjusted to account for inflation. Some tier ones are producing pieces worth 500k+ consistently, and others are selling in the 150k range, which qualifies as T1 but is a different class from the 500k ones entirely.
I feel like this could massively help. I'd say at this point T1 should be considered 300k and higher, as most shops do not put their prices up at 500k despite auctions selling at that range. However, there's a huge gap at the moment between T1 users. The ones at 300k+, and then the ones just barely clinging to T1 because they were told, "yeah, you're T1" when their art isn't quite selling for that amount. I'm finding they're often getting less attention as such, as well. |
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Versailles said:
FirstLightFarms said:
I do wonder if the price bracket for tiers should be adjusted to account for inflation. Some tier ones are producing pieces worth 500k+ consistently, and others are selling in the 150k range, which qualifies as T1 but is a different class from the 500k ones entirely.
I feel like this could massively help. I'd say at this point T1 should be considered 300k and higher, as most shops do not put their prices up at 500k despite auctions selling at that range. However, there's a huge gap at the moment between T1 users. The ones at 300k+, and then the ones just barely clinging to T1 because they were told, "yeah, you're T1" when their art isn't quite selling for that amount. I'm finding they're often getting less attention as such, as well.
Yup, there are T1 shops that are constantly full, and others not so much. We could adjust it so it goes T1, T2, T3, and T4. |
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KPH Equestrian said:
Versailles said:
FirstLightFarms said:
I do wonder if the price bracket for tiers should be adjusted to account for inflation. Some tier ones are producing pieces worth 500k+ consistently, and others are selling in the 150k range, which qualifies as T1 but is a different class from the 500k ones entirely.
I feel like this could massively help. I'd say at this point T1 should be considered 300k and higher, as most shops do not put their prices up at 500k despite auctions selling at that range. However, there's a huge gap at the moment between T1 users. The ones at 300k+, and then the ones just barely clinging to T1 because they were told, "yeah, you're T1" when their art isn't quite selling for that amount. I'm finding they're often getting less attention as such, as well.
Yup, there are T1 shops that are constantly full, and others not so much. We could adjust it so it goes T1, T2, T3, and T4.
Back when I had slots available, they'd fill within minutes. I probably have to adjust upwards, as I haven't done that in well over a year. But that gap between full and available is so incredibly bold. Even with many of the expensive shops full and closed, people still seem to prefer to wait for them, rather than explore the newer, less expensive users. A tier below would help to close that experience gap and perhaps bring them a little more attention, as I still deeply worry they're kind of just tossed into T1 without explanation as to what to expect. |
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I have to agree with this post. There is no shame in giving yourself some time and space to grow, even though at first it may feel as if there is some pressure to move up for more ebs, to move to a less crowded tier. Tiers aren't there to say anyone is bad at art, they are there to give everyone an equal chance to be noticed. . I have not been as active recently, but I do still keep tabs on the art and artists fairly regularly, and I have noticed a significant change within the tiers as well. I have seen a few shops dive immediately into tier 1, and whether entirely their own decision or suggested by a poll or forum post (encouragement is wonderful, though as an artist I can also say, it is easy to push yourself too fast and end up burnt out, too, especially when trying to please customers), which is not inherently bad, but it is a lot of pressure to put on yourself as an artist who may be newer and still learning many skills as we all have to, while simultaneously dealing with the demand that typically comes from the T1 shops. It's a long road to find your own style and then become consistent in achieving that look, and there is great value in giving yourself a launch pad and the time to make a name for yourself, and learn what style you not only are good at, but what you enjoy doing. Art can be stressful sometimes, and it'll only be more so if you're running into things you haven't done, or maybe aren't as confident with. . I do agree a new tier would be a good idea, as an in between for T2 and the current T1. There are a lot of great artists in T1 right now, and as the pool of artists has grown considerably over the past few years, it definitely couldn't hurt to make another space. |
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Mmm. So, I'm coming with an unpopular opinion here. HOWEVER, I'll say that I definitely agree with the comments about many Tier 1s, not actually being Tier 1s and lacking confidence in their art. But. I think if you start telling everyone to start with lower tiers to "gain confidence" they may not ever actually "gain confidence". I mean, think, how many orders have yall gotten where you said, "mm, I've never done this before but sure! Let's try it and if you don't like it I'll auction!" I don't know about yall personally, but that was always me! And keep in mind this was a while ago when tier 1 was... tier 1 lol. I learn by doing. And not just the same boring ol horse avis + stable sets everyone always orders in tier 2 becuase customers tend to shy away from crazy ideas in that tier becuase, again, it's tier 2 (think, and I am no way trying to offend anyone here, but if people ask for fantasy or a new/crazy idea, they go to tier 1). I personally think some artists should push out of their comfort zone and learn new ideas/techniques! And sure, definitely not everyone! AND, their are MANY other ways of ditching the comfort zone! Art contests, looking in art requests, premades&auctions etc. So yeah, I think generally sometimes (def not a blanket statement here) putting artists asking for advice in tier placement, especially if they have certainly been auctioning of art well, and willing to branch out* that's a key part, there is absolutely no reason in my opinion that we should stick them in Tier 2/3. And usually, you will know pretty quick if your tier 1 ready or not based on sticking your shop there. I know I moved up/down several times when I was newer becuase I would take breaks and be rusty/discover something new, etc, and need to move. Art and art styles change and I do think that occasionally changing tiers needs to be accepted more. Try it, if it doesn't work, oh well, you tried and that's more than some can say. You can keep trying and shoot your shot again later! . But yeah. That's just my food for thought. 🤷♀️ Too many people in Tier 1, art prices inflated, also, if your asking for advice, make sure the people who comment are credible and know that they know their stuff! 😅 <3 - Yellow Edited to add, why have there been so many "art trolls" lately. I'm sick of all the stolen art and putting others down. Or making others feel less becuase so and so is better. So sick of it. That's my rant lol. |
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I think we need a tier for the artists who average 350-500k+ per piece. There are a lot of us hanging out in Tier 1 with people coming in expecting to get pieces for 100k, only to be discouraged when it's way out of their budget. |
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