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At least she showed her weakness XD
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His final height is 16.2
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@ven

lol Yeah, I'm interested in trying AD PON on my RID account. That's why I was wondering about his future height. ;P
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I am really happy with her week 8 though! -HEE Click-
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Good
My girls need Scp
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08:34:31 Ven | ISH
I used a J med for him without realizing that both of his parents are strongest in J, and he leveled in it W7, so he'll probably be solid there
Angels angels
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Merry
Maybe she will produce well lol
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08:33:45 Merry | KNNs
The fact that she didn't get even one W and then has the nerve to train like this is making me insane -HEE Click-
Angels angels
08:33:30 [1k+ brindles] Angel
Going to keep an eye on him
Maybe he will match my PON girls lol
Carrowmore Isle
08:32:41 Ven | ISH
I have never bred a WWW PON stud. Not once
Carrowmore Isle
08:32:25 Ven | ISH
He was so close to being a PON. I probably would have died.
Gem Queens Estate
08:31:29 Snow❆Gem
@ven

Wow! :D I wonder if he'll be PON stud sized? XD
Angels angels
08:31:02 [1k+ brindles] Angel
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I am excited to test this girl out on RO. I think she has real potential since producing EWEs with a stud that doesn't match her. And she is ee so she can help towards getting Apricot!
Stormsong Manor
08:30:10 Ven
Love the week 8, wish I checked his week 7

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08:18:16 Snow❆Gem
Ack!

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Quest Level 141
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Geld 400 stallions.

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08:14:51 Em
Thats what I thought! Im excited for her next year to breed!
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Em,
I'd say so, only one down is pretty good to me for a WEE especially with the one down not being in the W rate
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Em
If you do something on the horses page it will take their number off of the url so you have to reopen their page and make sure the number is at the end for the link to work
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Im not sure why it keeps doing that. last time I try
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MakeEm Fancy
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At least she showed her weakness XD
-HEE Click-
Angels angels
08:36:46 [1k+ brindles] Angel
His final height is 16.2
Gem Queens Estate
08:36:19 Snow❆Gem
@ven

lol Yeah, I'm interested in trying AD PON on my RID account. That's why I was wondering about his future height. ;P
Merryland Farm
08:35:35 Merry
I am really happy with her week 8 though! -HEE Click-
Angels angels
08:34:56 [1k+ brindles] Angel
Good
My girls need Scp
Carrowmore Isle
08:34:31 Ven | ISH
I used a J med for him without realizing that both of his parents are strongest in J, and he leveled in it W7, so he'll probably be solid there
Angels angels
08:34:27 [1k+ brindles] Angel
Merry
Maybe she will produce well lol
Stonehill Farm
08:33:45 Merry | KNNs
The fact that she didn't get even one W and then has the nerve to train like this is making me insane -HEE Click-
Angels angels
08:33:30 [1k+ brindles] Angel
Going to keep an eye on him
Maybe he will match my PON girls lol
Carrowmore Isle
08:32:41 Ven | ISH
I have never bred a WWW PON stud. Not once
Carrowmore Isle
08:32:25 Ven | ISH
He was so close to being a PON. I probably would have died.
Gem Queens Estate
08:31:29 Snow❆Gem
@ven

Wow! :D I wonder if he'll be PON stud sized? XD
Angels angels
08:31:02 [1k+ brindles] Angel
-HEE Click-
I am excited to test this girl out on RO. I think she has real potential since producing EWEs with a stud that doesn't match her. And she is ee so she can help towards getting Apricot!
Stormsong Manor
08:30:10 Ven
Love the week 8, wish I checked his week 7

-HEE Click-
Snow Stable
08:18:16 Snow❆Gem
Ack!

Quest Level 55
Capture
Capture a triple Elite horse with visible Silver.
Reward: 20,000 Eden Bucks 10,000Store Credits 1Sherpa Map Sexed Straw - Filly
Snow Stable
08:14:55 Snow❆Gem

Quest Level 141
Geld Him!
Geld 400 stallions.

Completed: 0/400
Reward: 5,000 Eden Bucks 8,000Store Credits 1Bronze Embryo Token


*skip*
Insignia Elites
08:14:51 Em
Thats what I thought! Im excited for her next year to breed!
Rain Plains
08:01:25 Kelan/Rain
Em,
I'd say so, only one down is pretty good to me for a WEE especially with the one down not being in the W rate
Angels angels
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Em
If you do something on the horses page it will take their number off of the url so you have to reopen their page and make sure the number is at the end for the link to work
Insignia Elites
08:00:03 Em
Im not sure why it keeps doing that. last time I try
-HEE Click-

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Cliff's Journal February 28, 2021 11:42 AM


FirstLightFarms

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I debated posting this in snark factory, but I think once I get over the emotional shock, I'll want to document the rehabilitation process, so here we are.
Anyways.
Cliff and I first met in 2016. I was training a horse for somebody, and she happened to own him as well and asked me to ride him for her as well, but I hated the way he went. He was inverted and threw his shoulder and would bite your leg when you put it on. Of course, all of these are symptoms for ulcers, but he wasn't my horse and it wasn't my business, so I just said I wouldn't ride him at that was the end of that.
And then my friend bought him and asked me to ride him.
I liked my friend a lot more than I liked the first owner, (that's a whole other story) so I said yes and started riding him, and I never really liked him but I started to have more fun with him. He stopped biting my leg, he had a nice trot and an incredible canter, and he didn't refuse a jump. Ever. This horse did not have a stop in him, and I started to... maybe not like him, but I didn't dread our rides either. And then in 2018, my friend dropped the bombshell: she was selling Cliff.
That was a week for me. I spent it alternating between thinking good riddance and sobbing my eyes out, and finally I texted her to tell her that I was buying him, and instantly felt relief. Our story was not over yet.
So I treated him for ulcers and we started training in earnest, and it sucked. Every month was another issue: thrown shoes, sore back, strange lameness that I couldn't quite pinpoint and my vet didn't think was even there. We moved barns, and he finally went lame enough that we could identify it- front left. We xrayed him and there was a bone chip. One injection later and I had a sound horse.
Then his back started hurting him. My saddle didn't fit anymore because now that he was sound and in earnest work, his topline had built up enough that the saddle fit had changed. I spent three months scouring the far corners of the world (well. Florida) for a proper saddle and it fit and off we went!
And it was great. The past few months have been some of the best we've had in the four years I've known him. We went to a dressage show and got some lovely remarks, and went to our first over fences show last month and he marched straight into the hunters and nailed it. He knows his job and he loves it.
But something still bothered me. He was clearly happy in work- he came to me in the pasture, put his halter on himself, put his bridle on himself, and every ride was better than the last. But he would make a face when I tightened the girth, and sometimes he would feel... not lame, but not 100% either. I didn't ever think that he was in pain, but I did think he wasn't 100% happy, either.
A friend suggested testing him for lyme. I researched it and found that it ticked a lot of boxes for Cliff- the weird, shifting lameness, skin sensitivity, the fact that his topline was fine but not as far along as it should've been considering his workload.
So I called the vet out and discussed my suspicions, and she was noncommittal. It'd be weird for a horse to get lyme disease in Florida. Generally that's further north. But she examined him and noticed how funky his withers were.
I said that yes, I had a suspicion that he'd broken his withers before in his racing days. He did have a bad racing accident where the horse went down in front of him and he hit it and flipped over. But his withers didn't seem to hurt him, so I figured they'd healed and it wasn't an issue anymore. She said she wanted to xray them anyways and I decided we might as well. I've already poured so much money into this horse, what's another hundred or so dollars?
So we xrayed them and- surprise. He never broke his withers. They were fine. The way they're shaped is just the way he was born. But the vet carried on and xrayed the rest of his back, and we found kissing spine.
Kissing spine is when the vertebrates in the spine crush (or kiss) together, leaving no space for them. It's painful and it can be career, or even life ending, for some horses.
My vet and trainer are pretty hopeful about Cliff's case. We're going to inject the area and stop it from hurting him, give him a week off and then start bringing him back into work by doing lots of long and low, spine stretching back lifting exercises to help separate the vertebrae. Also, lots and lots of carrot stretches. Cliff will appreciate those. If he stays sound, and happy, we might let him get back into jumping, and then re-xray him in a few months to monitor his back and see if it's getting better or at least maintaining. But if it's getting worse, then that's it. I'll have a retired 12 year old horse.
No matter what happens, he has a home with me, and I'm not putting him down just for being unrideable. I owe this horse so much more than that.
But beyond the shock and sadness that he's been in pain for so long and genuinely has this awful problem, I'm also incredibly frustrated. I have a lot of competitive ambitions in this sport, and I bought Cliff to be my 1.20 horse. After all the shit we've been through, I lowered my expectations to 1.10, and all we've ever done is the 2'3 hunters once. I was hoping this would be the year I could finally let Pogo start slowing down a bit and focus my energy and money and time on Cliff, so this has totally blindsided me, both from a health perspective (NOBODY I have ever talked to about Cliff has suggested kissing spine, and I personally know a lot about it and never once suspected it) and from a competitive perspective. I don't know what my next step is. I'm going to try and see if Pogo is down for another year of 3', and maybe see if he can step into the meters, but it's not fair to ask him to go beyond that. I can't afford to lease the caliber of horse I would need to jump that high, and I'm not buying another project horse and risking that one being unrideable and/or unsellable for any reason. So I'm a little bit stuck.
We'll see what Pogo wants to do. If he doesn't want to do it, then that's fine. He doesn't owe me anything either. But that's possibly a story that deserves it's own thread.
And in the meantime, I'll focus on rehabbing and loving my orange horse and hoping that the future has something kinder in store for us both.

Edited at February 16, 2022 02:43 PM by FirstLightFarms
Cliff's Journal February 28, 2021 11:52 AM


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I feel so bad for you, I really hope Cliffs back gets better and stretches out. Sending love <3
Cliff's Journal March 1, 2021 12:38 PM


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My friend massaged him today and said that if it weren't for me telling her, she never would have guessed about the KS. His topline is excellent, though his neck and withers area bother him- which makes sense if he's compensating for the back pain in his neck- but overall he's in great shape. Makes me a lil more hopeful. He's getting injected tomorrow and we'll see how he handles it. 🤞
Edit: rescheduled injections. Sometime this week though!

Edited at March 2, 2021 01:16 PM by FirstLightFarms
Cliff's Journal March 1, 2021 12:45 PM


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We're worried that Zippy has Kissing Spine, because he was started riding too early with a clunky western saddle that didn't fit properly- and he's got some weird stuff going on with his canter strides that we can't pinpoint (could also be from leg trauma). Feels 100% sound and can almost canter in place (or he felt 100% sound the last time I rode him) but... ack. And the place we'd go to get him x-rayed is a several hours' drive away... and we just can't commit to doing that right now...
I'm so sorry about Cliff, that sounds awful.
Cliff's Journal March 1, 2021 12:47 PM


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TenaciTea said:
We're worried that Zippy has Kissing Spine, because he was started riding too early with a clunky western saddle that didn't fit properly- and he's got some weird stuff going on with his canter strides that we can't pinpoint (could also be from leg trauma). Feels 100% sound and can almost canter in place (or he felt 100% sound the last time I rode him) but... ack. And the place we'd go to get him x-rayed is a several hours' drive away... and we just can't commit to doing that right now...
I'm so sorry about Cliff, that sounds awful.


Try to find a vet that can come to you with an xray machine! Mine had one and it took all of five minutes to check him. I really hope you figure him out though, that's no fun.
Cliff's Journal March 1, 2021 12:47 PM


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I am so sorry! KS is frustrating. Hopefully he gets better. You have already been through so much.
Cliff's Journal March 1, 2021 08:07 PM


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FirstLightFarms said:

TenaciTea said:
We're worried that Zippy has Kissing Spine, because he was started riding too early with a clunky western saddle that didn't fit properly- and he's got some weird stuff going on with his canter strides that we can't pinpoint (could also be from leg trauma). Feels 100% sound and can almost canter in place (or he felt 100% sound the last time I rode him) but... ack. And the place we'd go to get him x-rayed is a several hours' drive away... and we just can't commit to doing that right now...
I'm so sorry about Cliff, that sounds awful.


Try to find a vet that can come to you with an xray machine! Mine had one and it took all of five minutes to check him. I really hope you figure him out though, that's no fun.


Well the chiropractor did come out to look at Zippy a few hours ago and he doesn't think that he has kissing spine or ulcers or anything- but he does think that his saddle is a tad narrow and maybe that's what's bothering him. Back on the saddle hunt again, I guess ;-;
Cliff's Journal March 5, 2021 01:09 PM


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Finally injected! Cliff gets a week off to hang out in the pasture and do nothing and then we'll start some groundwork ♡
Cliff's Journal March 5, 2021 05:35 PM


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FirstLightFarms said:
Finally injected! Cliff gets a week off to hang out in the pasture and do nothing and then we'll start some groundwork ♡


Good luck! I hope Cliff makes a full recovery :)
Cliff's Journal March 5, 2021 10:51 PM

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I'm sorry <3
I recently had a ex-racer who had suspected kissing spine, and sadly she could hold up to what we were expecting of her, and with her continuous uclers and hormonal problems, we had to retire her. She's happy now, eating lush green grass at her original owners home.
I understand how it feels, and I wish you and Cliff all the best. Good luck <3

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