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I have 3 goldfish in a small bowl. Nothing to whoop and cheer about lol. |
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I think it's stress that is killing your guppies, but I can't be 100% sure. As Hastings asked how old are your guppies when you try to sell them?
Hastings Warmbloods said:
Unus1 said:
Hey, so I've been breeding guppies for a while and I've had constant problems with them. Every time I get a new batch of babies or go to sell them they get sick or start dying. Water quality,temperature,filtration,food and space are all fine. These are ones I've bred myself and I make sure to regularly add new genetics in every once and a while. So I'm thinking of maybe switching species because these guppies are giving me so much grief. What do you all prefer, Platies or ballon mollies?.
How old are your guppies when you try and sell them? I think I know what might be happening.
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Okay this is going to sound mean, but you are killing those poor fish by keeping them in a small bowl. For 3 goldfish you need them in the bare minimum of a 75 galon tank. They can grow to over 12 inchs long, and a small bowl just stunts their growth and destroys their internal organs. They also produce a high amount of waste, and need a good filtration system in place. Sephyrus said: I have 3 goldfish in a small bowl. Nothing to whoop and cheer about lol.
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The oldest guppies I have are 7-14 months .I try to sell some when they are around 3-4 months or older but they keep dying and i never get to sell any.It could be their genetics as well because the suppliers from the pet shop I get them from have had a bunch of guppies die for absolutely no reason, from what I've heard they have switched suppliers. I've only had one guppy born with a bent spine recently,and that's the only sign of bad inbreeding I've had since I started, which ive been breeding them for nearly two years. I have gotten guppies from different sources too, from local people selling them to different pet shops. The ones I got locally did last a little longer than the ones in the pet shops but they had been chucked out in a pond and left there to breed. |
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Unus1 said:
The oldest guppies I have are 7-14 months .I try to sell some when they are around 3-4 months or older but they keep dying and i never get to sell any.It could be their genetics as well because the suppliers from the pet shop I get them from have had a bunch of guppies die for absolutely no reason, from what I've heard they have switched suppliers. I've only had one guppy born with a bent spine recently,and that's the only sign of bad inbreeding I've had since I started, which ive been breeding them for nearly two years. I have gotten guppies from different sources too, from local people selling them to different pet shops. The ones I got locally did last a little longer than the ones in the pet shops but they had been chucked out in a pond and left there to breed.
Another contributing factor could be the diet, Or as you said, inbreeding, Adding more protein to their diet might help, I don't know if you're able too or not but, instead of buying from the fish store, Have you tried ordering a trio-pair? It sounds like that supplier is still using their old stock which are too close to their parents which is probably what's causing you're guppies to die. Guppies don't just keel over and die for 'no reason' I'm thinking it's either inbreeding that could be causing unseen, critical internal failure, something in the diet or as Hawk said, it could be stress, but I'm thinking it's got more to do with the supplier. If you do decide to go through with ordering a trio-pair, Make sure it's two females and one male, if the females are pregnant try moving them into a bare-bottom tank where they can give birth without the male bugging the crap out of them. I can also suggest that you try if you haven't already, getting the Ziss- ZH 2000 Artemia Blender, I know how to cultivate Brine shrimp. You'll need: 2 liters of water (Not tank water, and it needs to be a little above room temperature, unless you decide to use a heater in the Ziss unit) 2 1/2 leveled table spoons of Fritz Aquarium Salt A+ (This is a very fine aquarium salt so you really don't need to use too much of it) And lastly high quality Brine shrimp eggs (Something with a 90% hatch rate) I suggest trying AAA Brine Shrimp Eggs (Grade A) 90%+ don't buy that stuff in the tin can cylinders those do not provide enough nutrition, But before you get the Ziss, I really think you should look at ordering a different breeding group, because to me it sounds like you're doing everything right. It will take about 24 hours for your Brine shrimp to hatch. There is a hole in the lid of the Ziss unit for a heater but if you don't intend to use a heater, just take a zip-loc bag, cut a circle a little bigger than the heater slot and cover it, secure it down with duct tape, Some people like to use a desk lamp for the Ziss unit because they think it helps with hatching, I honestly don't think you need to use one though. |
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Hastings if I EVER have trouble with my guppies I'm coming to you! I have a 10 gallon with gravel, live grassy plants to hide in, no decor, good filtration, and about 10 feeder/endler guppies. It's here because myself and my clowder love to watch them. The cats drink out of the top of the filtration and never bother the fish. I really don't need them to breed, survival of the fittest here lol! Occasionally I get an influx of a friends well bred endlers to keep out TOO much inbreeding. The tank is very self sufficient, with my little snail friends keeping everything clean. When I was in hospital for months, they barely got fed and yet survived and thrived. However, i'm putting you...Hastings...on speed dial hahaha! |
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The more I think about it, inbreeding and supplier problems is my guess. Also you never mentioned the size of your tank and how it's set up. That can also be a bit of an issue.
Hastings Warmbloods said:
Unus1 said:
The oldest guppies I have are 7-14 months .I try to sell some when they are around 3-4 months or older but they keep dying and i never get to sell any.It could be their genetics as well because the suppliers from the pet shop I get them from have had a bunch of guppies die for absolutely no reason, from what I've heard they have switched suppliers. I've only had one guppy born with a bent spine recently,and that's the only sign of bad inbreeding I've had since I started, which ive been breeding them for nearly two years. I have gotten guppies from different sources too, from local people selling them to different pet shops. The ones I got locally did last a little longer than the ones in the pet shops but they had been chucked out in a pond and left there to breed.
Another contributing factor could be the diet, Or as you said, inbreeding, Adding more protein to their diet might help, I don't know if you're able too or not but, instead of buying from the fish store, Have you tried ordering a trio-pair? It sounds like that supplier is still using their old stock which are too close to their parents which is probably what's causing you're guppies to die. Guppies don't just keel over and die for 'no reason' I'm thinking it's either inbreeding that could be causing unseen, critical internal failure, something in the diet or as Hawk said, it could be stress, but I'm thinking it's got more to do with the supplier. If you do decide to go through with ordering a trio-pair, Make sure it's two females and one male, if the females are pregnant try moving them into a bare-bottom tank where they can give birth without the male bugging the crap out of them. I can also suggest that you try if you haven't already, getting the Ziss- ZH 2000 Artemia Blender, I know how to cultivate Brine shrimp. You'll need: 2 liters of water (Not tank water, and it needs to be a little above room temperature, unless you decide to use a heater in the Ziss unit) 2 1/2 leveled table spoons of Fritz Aquarium Salt A+ (This is a very fine aquarium salt so you really don't need to use too much of it) And lastly high quality Brine shrimp eggs (Something with a 90% hatch rate) I suggest trying AAA Brine Shrimp Eggs (Grade A) 90%+ don't buy that stuff in the tin can cylinders those do not provide enough nutrition, But before you get the Ziss, I really think you should look at ordering a different breeding group, because to me it sounds like you're doing everything right. It will take about 24 hours for your Brine shrimp to hatch. There is a hole in the lid of the Ziss unit for a heater but if you don't intend to use a heater, just take a zip-loc bag, cut a circle a little bigger than the heater slot and cover it, secure it down with duct tape, Some people like to use a desk lamp for the Ziss unit because they think it helps with hatching, I honestly don't think you need to use one though.
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I have two tanks,one is 90 litres and the other one is 27 litres, i have tried convincing my parents to get me a bigger tank but they always say no, so i do try to keep their space requirements in check and make sure the male to female ratio is good.I am unable to get a trio from another supplier, I am pretty much limited to what is around me locally. I could try giving them some frozen food and see if that would help their protein intake. I usually just feed the adults flakes and a mix of dried bloodworm,egg yolk and flakes crushed up for the babies and occasionally for the older ones too. |
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You can also try some crushed up dried brine shrimp for them. When I raised guppies, I did a combination of flakes, brine shrimp, bloodworms, and egg yolk (Which I had to split between the fish, cats, and ferrets, the egg yolks not the other stuff lol). I would also buy frozen foods for them that were high in protine.
Unus1 said:
I have two tanks,one is 90 litres and the other one is 27 litres, i have tried convincing my parents to get me a bigger tank but they always say no, so i do try to keep their space requirements in check and make sure the male to female ratio is good.I am unable to get a trio from another supplier, I am pretty much limited to what is around me locally. I could try giving them some frozen food and see if that would help their protein intake. I usually just feed the adults flakes and a mix of dried bloodworm,egg yolk and flakes crushed up for the babies and occasionally for the older ones too.
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I'm not killing them. They are perfectly fine. The bowl is big enough for them all. I was just saying "small" because i'm assuming some people on here have huge ass aquariums. I've had them for around 6 years. They are perfectly fine.
Hawkeye Farms said:
Okay this is going to sound mean, but you are killing those poor fish by keeping them in a small bowl. For 3 goldfish you need them in the bare minimum of a 75 galon tank. They can grow to over 12 inchs long, and a small bowl just stunts their growth and destroys their internal organs. They also produce a high amount of waste, and need a good filtration system in place. Sephyrus said: I have 3 goldfish in a small bowl. Nothing to whoop and cheer about lol.
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