Chilly and Clear with Dropping Temps| Heartbeat Haven |
| It's just a question to ask, is all. It's not a requirement by any means. The person's response can heavily indicate whether or not they are a mill, and your reasoning is perfectly reasonable. I doubt it'd raise red flags like someone who just says "no" would say. |
| Vecchia Modo |
| Bird - My mother admired Siamese cats for years. Went to every cat show in the 5 state area. Talked to many breeders at the shows and visited their homes, before deciding on a kitten. Might want to do the same for whatever breed interests you. |
| BlackRose |
| that you can, although I would much prefer going to see the place as there’s a lot you CAN’T see via a FaceTime and a lot more you can see being their in person :) I personally wouldn’t buy an animal off someone who I believe I couldn’t go to the property and see the place. Whatever they could do at their property they can still do at the meeting point when giving the animal to you. |
| Heartbeat Haven |
| Similarly, yes: Sketti's foster parent was allowed to meet me beforehand and check my home to make sure I was telling the truth on my application. :) |
| Heartbeat Haven |
| And that is your right. Having worked at shelters, and even having adopted Sketti from one, they asked me several times if I wanted to check and clear his home of kitten mill status. So there are, indeed, some people out there who allow such things. At the very least, a breeder will still allow you to meet the parents. |
| BlackRose |
| That’s very true although if someone/people are selling animals the buyer should be allowed to check where they are living, their conditions and their parents. Just like some sellers would like to view where their animal is going to make sure it’s going to a good home! |
| Mythological |
| Mills are awful but I care about my safety and my animals safety. I don't want someone random person on my property. |
| Versailles |
| True, but a dedicated breeder who is trying to help negate kitten mills being so prominent is more likely to allow you to check around for signs of a mill, as they're also grossed out by them. |
| Versailles |
| Stray and colony kitties adopted off the streets are often inbred too, unfortunately. There are SO many feral cats in the world, and their colonies are so closely knit to keep outsiders out, that they become inbred. I don't think there is much avoiding it, but purebreds can have pedigrees presented. |
| Hummingbird Meadows |
| I wouldn't mind adopting a shelter cat, but when I have looked not many will get along with a dog. Each person is in a different situation which is why I am looking into a purebred. |
| Versailles |
| It is not all glitter and rainbows with every shelter, unfortunately. I cycled through a few before deciding on one to work at because some are very dishonest. |
| RusticRabbit |
| It also depends on the breed. Most purebreeding has inbreeding at some point in the line and it predisposes some breeds to health conditions. If you are set on it, then do research into breeds without as many issues |
| Hummingbird Meadows |
| I am a little paranoid though because I adopted a shelter cat and he ended up having all these health issues. I only had him a year. That's not to say that a pure bred won't have health issues, but if you go to a good breeder they probably won't. |
| RusticRabbit |
| I don't think that's valid LOL, why does it matter what they did before? Like if you are in an area without overpopulation I can understand that. Those places do exist. But in areas where they are euthanizing countless cats and kittens? I think that's a very selfish viewpoint in that situation (which is most places) |
| RusticRabbit |
| Yes, it takes a lot of legwork and knowledge to verify if a breeder is good or not. I almost always recommend adopting because you can find what you want and it's always a net good. One of my kitties is a rescue from an accidental pregnancy and she looked just like a ragdoll but she wasn't. In terms of aesthetics, you can find most (but not all) colors in shelters. I have done some kitten fostering and also done a lot of volunteer work in shelters. |
| Morning Glory Farms |
| eh some people just dont want a shelter animal with an unknown background and that is totally ok and valid |
| Versailles |
| It is only unethical unless a breeder is found with a good history, and willing to present any and all pedigrees involved with the cats. That being said, make sure they allow you to meet the parents and view the WHOLE property! |
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| Heartbeat Haven |
| It's just a question to ask, is all. It's not a requirement by any means. The person's response can heavily indicate whether or not they are a mill, and your reasoning is perfectly reasonable. I doubt it'd raise red flags like someone who just says "no" would say. |
| Vecchia Modo |
| Bird - My mother admired Siamese cats for years. Went to every cat show in the 5 state area. Talked to many breeders at the shows and visited their homes, before deciding on a kitten. Might want to do the same for whatever breed interests you. |
| BlackRose |
| that you can, although I would much prefer going to see the place as there’s a lot you CAN’T see via a FaceTime and a lot more you can see being their in person :) I personally wouldn’t buy an animal off someone who I believe I couldn’t go to the property and see the place. Whatever they could do at their property they can still do at the meeting point when giving the animal to you. |
| Heartbeat Haven |
| Similarly, yes: Sketti's foster parent was allowed to meet me beforehand and check my home to make sure I was telling the truth on my application. :) |
| Heartbeat Haven |
| And that is your right. Having worked at shelters, and even having adopted Sketti from one, they asked me several times if I wanted to check and clear his home of kitten mill status. So there are, indeed, some people out there who allow such things. At the very least, a breeder will still allow you to meet the parents. |
| BlackRose |
| That’s very true although if someone/people are selling animals the buyer should be allowed to check where they are living, their conditions and their parents. Just like some sellers would like to view where their animal is going to make sure it’s going to a good home! |
| Mythological |
| Mills are awful but I care about my safety and my animals safety. I don't want someone random person on my property. |
| Versailles |
| True, but a dedicated breeder who is trying to help negate kitten mills being so prominent is more likely to allow you to check around for signs of a mill, as they're also grossed out by them. |
| Versailles |
| Stray and colony kitties adopted off the streets are often inbred too, unfortunately. There are SO many feral cats in the world, and their colonies are so closely knit to keep outsiders out, that they become inbred. I don't think there is much avoiding it, but purebreds can have pedigrees presented. |
| Hummingbird Meadows |
| I wouldn't mind adopting a shelter cat, but when I have looked not many will get along with a dog. Each person is in a different situation which is why I am looking into a purebred. |
| Versailles |
| It is not all glitter and rainbows with every shelter, unfortunately. I cycled through a few before deciding on one to work at because some are very dishonest. |
| RusticRabbit |
| It also depends on the breed. Most purebreeding has inbreeding at some point in the line and it predisposes some breeds to health conditions. If you are set on it, then do research into breeds without as many issues |
| Hummingbird Meadows |
| I am a little paranoid though because I adopted a shelter cat and he ended up having all these health issues. I only had him a year. That's not to say that a pure bred won't have health issues, but if you go to a good breeder they probably won't. |
| RusticRabbit |
| I don't think that's valid LOL, why does it matter what they did before? Like if you are in an area without overpopulation I can understand that. Those places do exist. But in areas where they are euthanizing countless cats and kittens? I think that's a very selfish viewpoint in that situation (which is most places) |
| RusticRabbit |
| Yes, it takes a lot of legwork and knowledge to verify if a breeder is good or not. I almost always recommend adopting because you can find what you want and it's always a net good. One of my kitties is a rescue from an accidental pregnancy and she looked just like a ragdoll but she wasn't. In terms of aesthetics, you can find most (but not all) colors in shelters. I have done some kitten fostering and also done a lot of volunteer work in shelters. |
| Morning Glory Farms |
| eh some people just dont want a shelter animal with an unknown background and that is totally ok and valid |
| Versailles |
| It is only unethical unless a breeder is found with a good history, and willing to present any and all pedigrees involved with the cats. That being said, make sure they allow you to meet the parents and view the WHOLE property! |
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