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Legacy of the painted spirits. How about that combination of them
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Are some I can think of, Angel.
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maybe wishing on the angels or wishing on the luck? IDK but for a black chestnut I feel like that may work
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06:53:25 Charlie
Not bad at all
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not bad for a KNN!
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Thanks for your help
Mustang Willows
06:52:17 Charlie
Yes that’s why I picked it. Unique but not too weird
Guard Horseman Gang
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that will be a interesting combination
Mustang Willows
06:50:46 Charlie
Legacy of the painted spirits. How about that combination of them
Mustang Willows
06:49:45 Charlie
Maybe a combination of them all
Mustang Willows
06:49:20 Charlie
I don’t know. Have to think on it
Guard Horseman Gang
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XD
Guard Horseman Gang
06:47:49 GHG
which one we suggested 5
Mustang Willows
06:47:34 Charlie
Love all of them
Hard decisions
Mustang Willows
06:47:13 Charlie
Okay I don’t like that name I love it!!!! 🕊️
Guard Horseman Gang
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Frosty Dun Legend
Appaloosa Spirit
Painted Frost
Centura stable
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charlie
forever a wild legacy
or legacy of the wild spirits
Mustang Willows
06:41:50 Charlie
-HEE Click-
Any good name ideas
Rubygem-Chenya
06:37:49 Ruby/Cheshire
Dark Knight
Total Eclipse
Break of Dawn
Wizard

Are some I can think of, Angel.
Centura stable
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maybe wishing on the angels or wishing on the luck? IDK but for a black chestnut I feel like that may work
maggiemay9210
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Where can you see the show titles that your horse as earned?
Centura stable
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did I make the right decision entering her in a show?
Angel Warmblood Stud
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doesn´t matter, stable name stays caus he has a sweet nose

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Genetic Help February 25, 2024 04:21 PM


Eastwood Acres
 
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I'm not to good with genetics and just tested her. If someone can help I'd like to know if there's anything special or noteworthy about her genetics :) Thank you in advance!

Edited at February 25, 2024 04:21 PM by Eastwood Acres
Genetic Help February 25, 2024 04:27 PM


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Nice week 7! Her gene test doesn't have any hidden genes in it (like pearl or silver) but she does carry one copy of the champagne gene (Ch) which means she has a chance of passing it down to a foal, and you can possibly get a foal with double copies (ChCh) if you breed her to another champagne horse, which would make that gene a guaranteed one to pass down from that foal :)
I hope this helps!
Genetic Help February 25, 2024 04:39 PM


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The Joker said:
Nice week 7! Her gene test doesn't have any hidden genes in it (like pearl or silver) but she does carry one copy of the champagne gene (Ch) which means she has a chance of passing it down to a foal, and you can possibly get a foal with double copies (ChCh) if you breed her to another champagne horse, which would make that gene a guaranteed one to pass down from that foal :)
I hope this helps!


Thank you so much! I appreciate it a lot :)
Genetic Help February 25, 2024 05:01 PM


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Eastwood Acres said:

The Joker said:
Nice week 7! Her gene test doesn't have any hidden genes in it (like pearl or silver) but she does carry one copy of the champagne gene (Ch) which means she has a chance of passing it down to a foal, and you can possibly get a foal with double copies (ChCh) if you breed her to another champagne horse, which would make that gene a guaranteed one to pass down from that foal :)
I hope this helps!


Thank you so much! I appreciate it a lot :)


Of course! Happy to help :) I believe the amber part of her colour is caused by her base colour of Ee which would usually be bay/brown, I may be incorrect though and it may be linked to the agouti gene instead
Genetic Help February 26, 2024 01:28 PM


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Champagnes have weird color names.
Gold Champagne = Chestnut (ee ??) + Champagne gene
Amber Champagne = Bay (E?A?) + Champagne gene
Sable Champagne = Brown (E?At?) + Champagne gene
Classic Champagne = Black (E?aa)+ Champagne gene

So the "Amber" part of her color just means she would be a plain bay horse without the Champagne gene. She's E(black-based) A(agouti) plus Ch(Champagne). She also has that At gene in there which doesn't show on her, but means she could have a brown foal.

The Extension (E/e) gene just determines if a horse is black-based or red-based. If the horse has at least one E gene it's black-based, if ee it's red-based. All horse colors are one or the other with modifiers added for colors besides Black and Chestnut.

The Agouti (A/At/a) gene here is considered only active in black-based horses, so a horse that is red-based (ee) won't express it no matter what alleles are present. What it does is restrict where on the horse black pigment is fully expressed. It limits actual black to the "points" of the horse and leaves the body lacking enough pigment to be truly black, so it's just sort of a faded black color (which appears red, but isn't). So a horse with E?A? is the full-on Agouti color we call "bay" with black points and reddish body. A horse with E?At? has more expression of pigment on the body, has brown "highlights" on the nose, flank, etc and black points and is called "brown". A horse with E?aa is black all over with no restriction from the Agouti gene.

So now we have what E/e and A/At/a are and what they mean to horse colors, you can take all those and apply the modifiers like the white-spotting patterns (Tobiano, Sabino, Frame), Roan, Dun, etc and add in that Champagne has those weird names and so does Cream(CcrC) (Chestnut + Cream = Palomino, Bay + Cream = Buckskin, Brown + Cream = Brown Buckskin, Black + Cream = Smoky Black) and Double Cream(CcrCcr) (Chestnut = Cremello, Bay/Brown = Perlino, Black = Smoky Cream).

Most of the genes here are dominantly-expressed (the capital letter means the horse has that trait), but Pearl is recessive (a horse must have prlprl to be Pearl) and Agouti has 3 alleles, where A overrides the other two, At only overrides a and aa means "non-Agouti).

Hope that helps some people who are still a bit confused. Variable color names don't help. It's like the gene that's called merle in every other dog breed is called dapple in dachshunds. You just have to learn the color names and roll with it.

Edited at February 26, 2024 02:06 PM by Clear Springs
Genetic Help February 26, 2024 10:38 PM


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Clear Springs said:
Champagnes have weird color names.
Gold Champagne = Chestnut (ee ??) + Champagne gene
Amber Champagne = Bay (E?A?) + Champagne gene
Sable Champagne = Brown (E?At?) + Champagne gene
Classic Champagne = Black (E?aa)+ Champagne gene

So the "Amber" part of her color just means she would be a plain bay horse without the Champagne gene. She's E(black-based) A(agouti) plus Ch(Champagne). She also has that At gene in there which doesn't show on her, but means she could have a brown foal.

The Extension (E/e) gene just determines if a horse is black-based or red-based. If the horse has at least one E gene it's black-based, if ee it's red-based. All horse colors are one or the other with modifiers added for colors besides Black and Chestnut.

The Agouti (A/At/a) gene here is considered only active in black-based horses, so a horse that is red-based (ee) won't express it no matter what alleles are present. What it does is restrict where on the horse black pigment is fully expressed. It limits actual black to the "points" of the horse and leaves the body lacking enough pigment to be truly black, so it's just sort of a faded black color (which appears red, but isn't). So a horse with E?A? is the full-on Agouti color we call "bay" with black points and reddish body. A horse with E?At? has more expression of pigment on the body, has brown "highlights" on the nose, flank, etc and black points and is called "brown". A horse with E?aa is black all over with no restriction from the Agouti gene.

So now we have what E/e and A/At/a are and what they mean to horse colors, you can take all those and apply the modifiers like the white-spotting patterns (Tobiano, Sabino, Frame), Roan, Dun, etc and add in that Champagne has those weird names and so does Cream(CcrC) (Chestnut + Cream = Palomino, Bay + Cream = Buckskin, Brown + Cream = Brown Buckskin, Black + Cream = Smoky Black) and Double Cream(CcrCcr) (Chestnut = Cremello, Bay/Brown = Perlino, Black = Smoky Cream).

Most of the genes here are dominantly-expressed (the capital letter means the horse has that trait), but Pearl is recessive (a horse must have prlprl to be Pearl) and Agouti has 3 alleles, where A overrides the other two, At only overrides a and aa means "non-Agouti).

Hope that helps some people who are still a bit confused. Variable color names don't help. It's like the gene that's called merle in every other dog breed is called dapple in dachshunds. You just have to learn the color names and roll with it.


Thank you!

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