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Unfortunately those who over turned Roe V. Wade only went by the term abortion. They didn't understand there are extreme medical reasons for aborting a fetus. I'm going to get yelled at here, but here's where I take my stand on the issue. If a woman is raped or a victim of incest then abotion should be allowed. Same if the fetus will be born with sever healh defects or not fully formed (missing organs), or dies in the womb can be aborted. If the pregnancy will cause the mother to suffer medical issues Epotic pregnancy, a miscarriage that hasn't passed correctly, then again abortion should be allowed. Now if the condom breaks or the pill fails then the morning after pill should be allowed to be used since both partners were trying to protect themselves. However if they go and have sex without any type of protecton (rape and incest victims excluded since they have no choice in the matter) and just had sex for fun, and the woman gets pregnant, unless there is a medical emergency she should carry it to term and give the baby up for adoption. |
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Hawkeye Farms said:
However if they go and have sex without any type of protecton (rape and incest victims excluded since they have no choice in the matter) and just had sex for fun, and the woman gets pregnant, unless there is a medical emergency she should carry it to term and give the baby up for adoption.
Keep in mind: many states do not have sex education. You're also suggesting making pre-teens carry to term, something that can kill them or irreversiably cause physical harm them for the rest of their life because they aren't physically mature enough. This ignores the mental and emotional harm it can cause. |
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I agree with what most of you said Hawkeye, the one thing I disagree with is the 'they should carry to term' Some are working and have jobs, and are trying to get out of poverty and cant afford to take time off. It could be the richest person in the world, and if they didn't want the child, then they should have the right to abort. The adoption system is overflowing with unwanted children If you are going to bring a kid into this world, make sure you want them, love them, and have the financial resources to support them (and will be there to emotionally support them aswell) . Edit: What Eury said is 100% true aswell. Many states do not have sex ed, or focus only on abstinence, not have safe sex |
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The Old Gods said:
Keep in mind: many states do not have sex education. You're also suggesting making pre-teens carry to term, something that can kill them or irreversiably cause physical harm them for the rest of their life because they aren't physically mature enough. This ignores the mental and emotional harm it can cause.
I agree with the sex ed courses. God knows they really didn't have that when I was in school except for health class. However when I mentioned carry to term I meant adults (and I did say woman, not teenager or preteen so that was the key word in my statement) and older teen agers 16 -19 range (Since they are in high school, and make the conscience choice to have sex). My own mother had me at 18 but she wanted to have me. However because I had a medical issue when born her parents adopted me, because they could actually get me the surgery that saved my life. |
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Wow there are a lot of really garbage takes here. I'm not gonna call anyone specifically out, but some of these are really not great. 1. You don't get to make the choice for another person's body. End of discussion. Really, end of it. Whether you think someone should have an abortion or not is irrelevant, it's not your body and you don't get to govern it. Your personal beliefs, religion, stances, and views do not matter. At all. You don't get to make this choice for people. 2. Children are not a punishment. By saying only certain people are eligible for abortions, you're insinuating that those who get pregnant even though they weren't careful, even though they don't want to, should be made to carry to term simply because of the fact that their s-x was unprotected. That's disgusting. That's essentially saying you shouldn't have s-x unless you have the means to afford a child, which is classist at least and a bunch of other things at most that make you look ignorant. 3.Life doesn't begin at conception. Sorry. Cell division =/= human life. It just doesn't. Electrical impulses =/= heartbeat. Sorry, it just doesn't. people on both sides of the issue can find biased scientific studies that lean towards one side or the other until the cows come home, but the reality is that unless it is viable outside of the womb, it's not a life. It's just a bunch of cells developing. (Personal opinion: until that clump of cells gains a functioning consciousness that can be gagued, it isn't a human. It's cells.) 4. A lot of these talking points are what these walking garbage heaps of humans that overturned the ruling use to justify their opression of people. This was never about 'oh the poor babies that are being murdered,' it's about keeping women/afab people down. It's about control. It's about keeping the impoverished in poverty so they can't claw their way out and better things. It's so they can keep lining their pockets with prison labor and wage slavery. It's about greed and power, full stop. Regardless of your opinion on the matter, you, nor anyone else, get to decide what another person does with their body. You can't even force a corpse to give up its organs if it wasn't consented to before death. At this point, someone who is pregnant has less bodily autonomy than a dead body. Think about that one the next time you're shaming someone for wanting to preserve their autonomy. Think about that the next time you think to yourself that 'it shouldn't be used as a form of birth control.' You're granting a living, breathing person less autonomy than a dead one. That's absolutely beyond messed up. |
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Hi folks! I am very much pro-choice and am so angry that this has happened in the US. It was in the media for 5 minutes and then they chose to focus on the Depp v Heard case for weeks. Then Roe v Wade was overturned and everyone was surprised. As someone who was naive enough to believe it wouldn't happen, I can say that it is very real and it is very much something every birthing person should have a control over. With more than 70% of people in the US believing there should be access to abortions (with varying circumstances in mind), approximately 52% of people in the US are female (at birth). Your religion or your beliefs regardless of your gender should not affect others. The freedom of religion means you can practice your beliefs but others can choose not to believe in the same thing as you. You can not push your views onto others. You don't have to get an abortion if you don't want one or if it's against your beliefs. But someone who needs or wants an abortion should very well be able to access one. . As a biology major who has been doing developmental biology and embryology for 4 years (2 years in Australia, 2 years in the US, and will be continuing my degree at a 4 year uni in the fall), I can tell you that a fetus does not feel pain until 20 weeks of development because the neurons in the brain have not yet been properly connected. So that is just something to keep in mind when you are thinking about those "circumstances" where abortion is banned at 8 weeks of development. . Another major thing to consider is the trauma many birthing people go through if they have a miscarriage. Miscarriages are not the fault of the birthing person, they happen. But you most certainly do not want to wait for the fetus to pass or induce labor. You need to have it aborted for safety/health reasons. And if it isn't for safety/health then it is for personal/humane reasons. When someone has a miscarriage, they shouldn't have to birth and carry a dead fetus in their bodies if they don't want to. You have to have an abortion to remove it. Making abortions illegal limits this option. And many people can/will be fined for miscarrying and even arrested for it. This should never be punished. . Ultimately, it is up to each individual if they wish to abort or not. It is not a decision anyone else should be able to make for them. The politicians and people saying they can put the baby up for adoption are NOT the ones who are going to adopt that kid. They don't care. They are pro-birth, not pro-life. We have to change our vocabulary to understand an move forward in understanding these major issues in human rights. Forcing anyone to give birth, is obviously against their will, and can result in people seeking more dangerous ways of aborting. If you are really pro-life, you will seek to improve the lives of living, already born, beings rather than attempting to dictate the lives of others because of your beliefs. Guns have more rights than birthing people in America. The faith I had in this country has been lost. We have been set back so many years and I don't know if we will ever get back to where we once were. If you ever need an abortion, there are resources out there to help you and you are more than welcome to pm me for links and information if you can not find it on your own. If you are in a state where it is illegal, you can use "secret mode" and a VPN on Google or the internet tabs to help search for things without being traced. You are all so strong in these rough times <3 |
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Daranyx said:
We have been set back so many years and I don't know if we will ever get back to where we once were. If you ever need an abortion, there are resources out there to help you and you are more than welcome to pm me for links an. If you are in a state where it is illegal, you can use "secret mode" and a VPN on Google or the internet tabs to help search for things without being traced. You are all so strong in these rough times <3
Adding on to this, if you have one, I recommend deleting your period tracker because the info is submitted to the government and if you say you missed a period and are found to be travelling in that time you can/will be persecuted for abortion. The fact that you are considered a criminal for seeking fucking Healthcare is. something else. . This is going to sound mildly conspiracy theory ish but y'all do not give up hope or stop fighting for reproductive rights. It honestly doesn't shock me that this comes after two years of pandemic + prices rising astronomically. A lot of people dont have much more fight in them. Keep going <3 |
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Yes! Period trackers can be helpful but so many of them have to give up user information! There is one app called "Flo" that hates that the government can control this. They have an option for you to go into a secret mode where none of your information is shared or even on the app. It's literally just you putting in your period dates/notes/etc. and you can use the app like any other app user. Just none of your information is there or connected. This includes your email addresses, address, name, phone number etc. And everything is anonymous anyways so you should be good to use that app. Still, I recommend being cautious in those states where it is illegal to get an abortion because odd period dates can make you a potential target. It's a pain in the arse to track it physically sometimes (and to not be able to have access to reproductive health info) but it may be necessary depending on where you live. |
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i am worried for you guys in the US. Like... this is just stupid. I am also glad i live in Australia. |
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You ate and left no crumbs. Exactly this. Im perfectly happy for people to be pro choice if its about their OWN BODIES. Its absolutely ok to not want an abortion and even some victivs of rape and SA still would prefer to keep the child because, ultimately its still your child, you have the right to want to birth it. But what i absolutely hate and am disgusted by is people who think they can make choices about OTHER PEOPLES bodies??? no. My heart absolutely goes OUT to all you women and people with uteruses in the US at the moment. Yes, a reminder to delete period trackers and use incognito tabs if you want to look up resources and its illegal in your state. Daranyx mentiones the app "flo" which is a good period tracker and ables you to use an incognito mode to protect you from the government stealing your info. love to you all who are struggling
RVMStables said:
Wow there are a lot of really garbage takes here. I'm not gonna call anyone specifically out, but some of these are really not great. 1. You don't get to make the choice for another person's body. End of discussion. Really, end of it. Whether you think someone should have an abortion or not is irrelevant, it's not your body and you don't get to govern it. Your personal beliefs, religion, stances, and views do not matter. At all. You don't get to make this choice for people. 2. Children are not a punishment. By saying only certain people are eligible for abortions, you're insinuating that those who get pregnant even though they weren't careful, even though they don't want to, should be made to carry to term simply because of the fact that their s-x was unprotected. That's disgusting. That's essentially saying you shouldn't have s-x unless you have the means to afford a child, which is classist at least and a bunch of other things at most that make you look ignorant. 3.Life doesn't begin at conception. Sorry. Cell division =/= human life. It just doesn't. Electrical impulses =/= heartbeat. Sorry, it just doesn't. people on both sides of the issue can find biased scientific studies that lean towards one side or the other until the cows come home, but the reality is that unless it is viable outside of the womb, it's not a life. It's just a bunch of cells developing. (Personal opinion: until that clump of cells gains a functioning consciousness that can be gagued, it isn't a human. It's cells.) 4. A lot of these talking points are what these walking garbage heaps of humans that overturned the ruling use to justify their opression of people. This was never about 'oh the poor babies that are being murdered,' it's about keeping women/afab people down. It's about control. It's about keeping the impoverished in poverty so they can't claw their way out and better things. It's so they can keep lining their pockets with prison labor and wage slavery. It's about greed and power, full stop. Regardless of your opinion on the matter, you, nor anyone else, get to decide what another person does with their body. You can't even force a corpse to give up its organs if it wasn't consented to before death. At this point, someone who is pregnant has less bodily autonomy than a dead body. Think about that one the next time you're shaming someone for wanting to preserve their autonomy. Think about that the next time you think to yourself that 'it shouldn't be used as a form of birth control.' You're granting a living, breathing person less autonomy than a dead one. That's absolutely beyond messed up.
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