Eyrie of the Stars
04:11:45 Eyrie
Meh, he doesn't really have color to pass on. One copy of creme, and being leopard means he's only hetero Lp. Probably hetero patn1 too, cause he's a wild.
Salem
03:54:31 Salem / Salt
Morning
Alrighty ^^
I'll keep him around long enough to rate him and see if he's good enough to stay :3
Morning
03:53:41 
Salem
That depends on what you breed for. After looking up his color, his rarity is around 1 of 213 in KNN. Not bad! Could be a nice color stud? If you breed for ratings, I would rate first and later decide. I would personally keep if he was PPP+, either as gelding or a stud depending on his ratings
Salem
03:40:41 Salem / Salt
Should I keep him? I kinda wanna clear some space
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888
02:55:08 ace\\any\pronouns
goodnight!!!
888
02:55:00 ace\\any\pronouns
same thing here but fuck it ill stay up
Cascadia
02:54:28 PNW
It's almost 1 am here. Time for me to HIT the hay!

Have a good night/day everyone!
888
02:52:41 ace\\any\pronouns
went from 75 horses to 34
Cascadia
02:52:34 PNW
I've never grown my own hay. Looks like I'm missing out.
888
02:52:10 ace\\any\pronouns
lol
Cascadia
02:51:47 PNW
This mare is stubborn! I'm trying to establish a White dressage line but she refuses to give me White foals!

-HEE Click-
888
02:51:24 ace\\any\pronouns
ah

i bought about 20k worth of hay a while back, and i still havent had any issues since i got hay bales and hay other thingies (i forgot the name)
Lucky Ducky Lane
02:50:02 
Yeah, my herd is also halved right now. Most of them died but I also did a huge downsize before I went inactive for 6 months lol Hay fields are fantastic, I don't have to buy hay and end of the month I can mass breed color PONs and stash them away
888
02:49:36 ace\\any\pronouns
i have five EEE geldings at the moment, but im working up
Cascadia
02:48:54 PNW
OK! My Gelding Army keeps growing, but I think I'm going to limit it to 200 (because that's the most my barn manager is willing to manage). They save my stable from financial failure.
888
02:46:57 ace\\any\pronouns
no no its a good thing! also now i spend less on hay lol
Cascadia
02:46:15 PNW
Ace, oh no!
888
02:46:14 ace\\any\pronouns
ive cut my normal amount of horses in HALF, which is great since now i only have my good stat ones and my companion babies
888
02:45:29 ace\\any\pronouns
mine are making me about 1k
Aussie Stables
02:45:06 I'm a guy
hmm my guys are making me 20k a day.
not enough *breaks out whip*
lol
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R+ Training? December 21, 2022 09:50 PM


Cherry River Elites
 
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Does anyone know anything about the process of R+ retraining?
I'm working with a horse who is both incredibly stubborn and very dramatic. He'll spook at anything he can, especially when you're on his back. I think there's been a lot of times he's done something and has gotten away with it, especially because he is at a beginner barn-he's just picked up subconscious habits. He's very nice on the ground, much less spooky and very polite (unless you have food, in which case he's up in your face-we're working on that) which tells me it's mostly in how he's been ridden. I don't know much about his past except that I know a few girls who've ridden him and they say he was awesome until something happened or shifted in his brain and he just kind of went downhill, and is being re-worked back into riding. I don't know much about it.
Because of this, and because I don't know what he's been trained with, I want to see if I can retrain him just a bit to be more polite both on ground and in saddle. R+ training seems like the best option from what I've read and heard, and I'd like to attempt it. I get the basic gist-using positive reinforcement to encourage a behaviour. However, I don't know the process, and I want to make sure I can avoid anything going wrong if possible, so I wanted to check with some people who are more professional to see if y'all have any experience.
So, to sum up: what would the process be for R+ retraining with a stubborn horse?
R+ Training? December 22, 2022 09:28 AM


Lucky's Showing
 
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Shelby Dennis on YouTube is amazing, she works with lots of different horses with +R
And Warwick Schiller on YouTube also has a ton of videos working with all sorts of horses and fixing different behaviors
Not sure about his older videos, but his new ones he's very patient and nice to his horses
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Also if you were taught with traditional horsemanship methods, it will probably take you some practice to get the hang of it and let go of some of those harmful ways of thinking
I think a big part of training with positive reinforcement is having a plan before you go into something, and not punishing them/getting mad when they make mistakes. I was taught with traditional horsemanship methods, and it was 'your horse is going to go where you're going, going to do exactly what you say, and if he makes a mistake/spooks, spank him'
So yeah that took a lot of unlearning for me and now I approach every problem with a plan and break it into small chunks
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If the horse is spooking, try to figure out at what
My horse was super scared of the donkeys (even though they were pretty far away lol)
So we approached and retreated from the donkey and I gave him scratches and some hay everytime he approached the donkey and everytime he calmly walked away
We sort of went in a circle (went up to the donkey, walked away, circled back) and eventually my circles became smaller and smaller because he was comfortable being closer.
And then got to a point where he would stand calmly next to the donkey and touch noses with him
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I think desensitization can also help a ton when it comes to spooking. And being calm and confident with your horses and around spooky things and they start to develop the same attitude.
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I reward with verbal praise, scritches in places he likes, and hay (normally a mix of bermuda and alfalfa)
If your horse is food aggressive I wouldn't reward with food until you've fixed that issue, but rewarding with pats and scratches and verbal praise is great!
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I'm not sure since I'm not there/don't know this horse, but lots of groundwork can really help teach willingness in a horse. Hand walking trails (if you have them) can help to
Also it could be this horse doesn't do well with whatever training method is being used on them, and is confused or potentially angry or resentful. Or just doesn't trust the people in charge to make decisions that will keep him safe
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When I got my horse he was quite stubborn because he didn't trust people, and then as he started trusting me I think he thought I would treat him similar to how his previous owner did which was 'you work, and I sit here and order you around' so groundwork and hand walking trails helped a lot not only because they built his muscles and desensitized him to lots, he learned that we are working together, and Im not going to ask him to do anything unreasonable.
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Also another thing about the spooking, I think it's really important for you to decide the level of your horses fear. Sometimes you have to give him a little push, get him past his fears, and he realizes it wasn't so scary and feels better, and you reward him and either call it a day or keep working with him on whatever you were working on prior to the spook
And other times, it's just best to safely end whatever you were working on and get your horse to an area where they can relax. Because they are so scared that pushing them is just going to make it more stressful, decrease their trust in you, and you don't accomplish anything!
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Anyways, I wish you good luck with this new horse! Feel free to DM me, I've worked with a good amount of horses with similar behaviors as yours so I'd love to offer help or send links to videos that have helped me because I know how frustrating it can be sometimes
Edit: this is quite long, I'm sorry I think I got a bit carried away 😅😂

Edited at December 22, 2022 09:31 AM by Shenandoah
R+ Training? December 22, 2022 09:56 AM


Cherry River Elites
 
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That's actually so helpful, thank you so much!
R+ Training? December 26, 2022 12:42 PM


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happy to help! ♥️

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