 04:10:57 keeperofquotebook/ff| I should go remove those tack alerts |
04:10:40 Sky/Dandy Blue
Yeah that's one of the ones I don't count as peacock. My definition is the ring of white with a spot of color in the middle |
04:09:53 Blue ~ Poodle Rat Serenity
Technically yep! That is a peacock. It is defined as leopard Appaloosa with mapping, and that's what that is. Some don't consider it as peacock though |
04:08:28 Sky/Dandy Rain
That's not peacock. Sorry |
04:07:59 Serenity / Rain| -HEE Click- Could this be a peacock? Dad is |
04:06:22 Tee | Quila| If this child presses the cocomelon toy on again I'm gonna cry |
04:05:14 keeperofquotebook/ff myth
so you are feed up with yourself? |
04:05:00 cowgirl| then you might not have won them |
04:04:55 Tahiri| Vampz - once you've won them in the auction they will go to your first open barn automatically. I've seen a lot of people try to keep room in their first barn for that reason so they know where they are, lol. |
04:04:47 Crowley | Myth| I am so fed uo with humans right now. |
04:03:05 keeperofquotebook/ff Today's Gain: 4,800 Today's Loss: 32,600 Today's Profit: -27,800
7 Day Gain: 55,498 7 Day Loss: 49,500 7 Day Profit: 5,998 |
04:03:00 Bruh| I can't wait til RO, I finally have enough space to breed all my mares in one day. |
04:02:45 keeperofquotebook/ff This coffee smells wonderful
and so do you...
dude go to hell |
04:02:41 Bazz| Myv7 day loss make me want to cry haha 1,129,350 Ebs 😂 |
04:00:01 Serenity / Rain| My 7 day loss was only 20k this week!! |
03:58:36 Serenity / Rain| I love finding random horses in my barns that I donÂ’t remember buying |
03:57:44 Celeste 🌕 They have to be breed approved before being able to see that.
Under Services > Breed Approvals |
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Flipperruby30 said:
Nueve de Cassa said:
Start on the ground, literally start from the beginning again. One click means walk, two means trot, a kiss means canter. WHOA means halt. Teach him walk and whoa, then once he understands those commands, teach the trot. You want him to walk beside you and move when you do, its safer. If he isn't understanding how to walk or trot forward, use your lead, arm, or a whip to reach back and encourage him forward. If this doesn't work, lightly tap him. Lunge him. Teach him those voice commands from the ground, both ways, including the canter. With and without tack. Show him spooky stuff, flags, tarps, garbage bags, etc. I highly suggest getting help from a professional trainer.
This ^ Lunging works absolute wonders. I would avoid doing the walk him down the hill,and run him back up again approach.Hot headed horses are incredibly savy,and he'll soon learn that okay,i may go slow downward,but going uphill means fast,which will frankly lead to a whole new wave of problems. See if you can try find a trainer,or someone experienced with Arabs or hot-headed horses around you.If not to help,then just to speak to about the issue.I brought my first Tb not long ago and struggled with exactly the same things,But again Work from the ground up and withhold with the urge to jump right into training.(This could include lunging for as long as needed to settle him and then following with a short riding session.And as soon as he does what you want,as small as just standing 10 seconds longer than last time,leave it there.Build on the positive and he'll come along lovely.I found this worked well with my Mare,But obviously each is different and will need versatility from you.) I've found the biggest thing is just not winding them up,Idk if yours gets the same but once my girl gets confused or frustrated,it goes from 0-100 in seconds over something hardly worth it.And she really isnt as bad as i make out Lol. . Regarding his bend,Just try and keep working as balanced as you can on either side,maybe even a little extra on the left to try balance it out.Again just take it slowly and he'll come along just fine. . Good Luck for you both! Please keep us updated,I'd love to see how you get on! :D
Ahh! I can't thank you enough!! I'll definitely keep everyone updated! I'll probably make a progess forum in a moment! :D I'll definitely see about asking if someone can get out and give a hand. We have a farrier, chiropractor and vets appointments coming up soon. I'm hoping a chiro visit will help get him loosened up! |
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I had a horse just like that lol. Another thing you can try is just letting him run until he is done. When he is just go at either a slow jog or at a walk. Some times a horse needs to be proven that he can get tired. It helped me for a while then that way he can tire himself without being pressure. |
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I don't think barrels are a good idea. It's going to take a lot of training to slow him down, just to ask him to go fast again, your going to end up going backwards. Always do exercises both directions, even though he only side passes to the right, still ask him to do it to the left. Another good thing for bending is tiny circles. Do one 20 meter circle to the left then to the right. Then do a 15 meter circle to the left then to the right. Then a 10 meter circle bother directions, then a 5 meter circle than as small as you can get. Don't do these all in session, break them up. Multiple circles are good but don't go around and around do a circle and then go do something else before another circle. Another good softening exercise is standing still, take your reins at a length that they have contact, then bring your back to your hip, wait for your horse to soften his neck, instantly release. Do this on both sides. The goal is for your horses bose to touch your boot or get pretty close, this will happen eventually. If your horse walks in a circle, just wait, keep your hand at your hip, until he stops and softens. Do this before and after a ride. Start from the beginning, teach him voice commands. Another thing, is ask him to woah, with your hands legs and voice. If he doesn't respond, ask harder. Then as him to back up, saying "WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA." Until he's feeling soft and is backing up nicely, then give him a pat and continue your ride, keep asking him to whoa like this, he will get softer and softer. |
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HMH Reality Check said:
I don't think barrels are a good idea. It's going to take a lot of training to slow him down, just to ask him to go fast again, your going to end up going backwards. Always do exercises both directions, even though he only side passes to the right, still ask him to do it to the left. Another good thing for bending is tiny circles. Do one 20 meter circle to the left then to the right. Then do a 15 meter circle to the left then to the right. Then a 10 meter circle bother directions, then a 5 meter circle than as small as you can get. Don't do these all in session, break them up. Multiple circles are good but don't go around and around do a circle and then go do something else before another circle. Another good softening exercise is standing still, take your reins at a length that they have contact, then bring your back to your hip, wait for your horse to soften his neck, instantly release. Do this on both sides. The goal is for your horses bose to touch your boot or get pretty close, this will happen eventually. If your horse walks in a circle, just wait, keep your hand at your hip, until he stops and softens. Do this before and after a ride. Start from the beginning, teach him voice commands. Another thing, is ask him to woah, with your hands legs and voice. If he doesn't respond, ask harder. Then as him to back up, saying "WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA." Until he's feeling soft and is backing up nicely, then give him a pat and continue your ride, keep asking him to whoa like this, he will get softer and softer.
Thank you! I'm not trying to force him to stay slow, it's mainly me getting him to stop anticipating and moving before me and keeping him from bolting. I'm looking more at speed control. I've got to start somewhere, right? |
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I dont see any problem with slowing down a horse before teaching them speed. You can have the fastest horse on the planet and it isn't going to matter if they're blowing their turns or totally uncontrollable. The best barrel horses start with a foundation of slow work. They can stop fast, pivot, work off leg pressure, bend easily, and just relax in general. If a horse gets too worked up, they can be hard to handle in the alley, and alley issues can be very hard to overcome. I've never dealt with anything worse than having to use my whip as an empty threat to walk in the arena, so I'm not very well versed with horses that want to flip over in the alley. . There's a lady I know that trains all around western horses, including western pleasure, and what she does is put them in the round pen or pick a place in the pasture and trot circles. She could have them make circles for 5 minutes or an hour. They have to keep making circles until they relax and quietly jog around. If they want to go faster than she wants, they make tighter circles to discourage speed and get them listening to her. They do a lot of their basics with a Martindale to teach a good head set. Having a nice head set will help you to stop because he won't be reaching forward and pulling on the bit like race horses are trained to do. Making most of your circles to the left could also help him relax that left side a bit. I'm currently doing the trotting exercise with my barrel mare, and she's doing way better by having time to calm down and relax before we practice. Once the horse is super comfortableIe a trot, you can move him up to a lope and work on keeping him slow at the lope. I would recommend doing it in the round pen the first few times so that he doesn't have another option to try and go faster than you want him to. . Another thing I do with my mare is lunge her around before I ride sometimes. I use a cattle flag as an aid because she hasnt lunged a ton in her life and is still working on changing directions. I only have her trot when lunging. I'll say Woah and put the flag in front of her and give it a little shake, just enough to ruffle the fabric. She's figuring out to engage her back end to stop, pivot, and trot the other way. I say woah, sit back, and put some pressure on the reins to stop her at randoms times when trotting circles, and it does help to keep her attention on me. We also trot figure 8s around the poles I use for stakes until she relaxes and stops anticipating her turns so much. . I think what your horse needs is to realize that going fast isn't going to get him anywhere. He's still going to have to trot those circles and make those stops, so he may as well save his energy. Barrel horses may be fast, but half of the game is precision, and that involves a lot of slow work. While trotting circles, you can work on giving to leg pressure and bending. Even if he has to just trot circles for his entire ride until he's done for the day, he has to keep going until you are the center of his focus. He should be most concerned about where you want him to go and what speed you want him to do it. If he fidgets when stopped, use your feet to move his hind end and scoot him back into place. If he's told to stand, he has to stand relatively peacefully. Don't do any fast work with him until he has the slow down really well. Also, don't forget that stopping and letting him take a couple minute break can help him relax after being in motion for a long time. . If you do decide to work with a trainer, I would recommend working with one who trains either western pleasure or some sort of ranch type class. What your boy needs is to chill and learn to really bend and be soft, and that's what ranch classes are all about. My older barrel horse would be great at boxing if I could get her to spin. She had a reining foundation and is my go to ranch horse, but she'll still run a clean pattern on barrels and poles and place high in stakes. She's not the fastest, but she places because she slows down in the right places and takes some super nice turns. If you can get your boy to calm down and realize that he doesn't have to go full steam ahead all the time, I think he could make a good barrel horse for you. He just needs to relax before he starts pattern work. |
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Shingashina, thank you so much for that! ^^ Yesterday, I just had a lesson with my good friend. She lent me a different headstall and a D-Ring with a roller and some different gaming reins to help me out as well! We did exactly this. She had me trot and as soon as he explodes turn nice wide circles. If he kept going, I'd need to go smaller. And then, when he finally slows back down, let him walk out. He definitely reaches forward and almost yanks the reins out of my hands a lot of the time, followed by yanking his head backward really quickly! XD I just purchased a martingale and will definitely be working with it as soon as I find some rein stops! Would have any tips for getting him to sidepass, or any exercises for getting him bending? Thank you so much! |
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When I first started ground work with my mare, I would stand next to her, reach over the saddle, and pull one rein up to have her flex. With me on the outside, she couldn't just turn her body and had to turn her head. I would also show her hands and get her attention and try to convince her to move her head on her own, then hold it there a few seconds. In the saddle, I pick up one rein and turn her head and ask her to flex. I'll let her keep turning tiny circles until she stops and gives. I have her flex way further than her head ever turns when we're in motion, having her nose come close to touching my boot, so she figured out pretty quickly that she's meant to stand there and give me her head. I sometimes offer her my hand to entice her to flex by making her want to know if I have something. I've done a little bit of flexing with the colt I'm going to start riding next month, a half brother to her, and he's really coming along. . Another thing I do to have them bend is make small circles and use my inside heel to push their ribs out and have their body bend to the circle. Sometimes, I'll trot circles aroune a barrel and have them bend out from it to encourage them to leave a little space and not knock one over. The barrel also gives them a reference point work off of. It also hinges on getting them to be soft in the face and not take off the second you use your heel. I make this super high pitched noise by drawing air in between my teeth to send mine when we run patterns, so they're listening for speed instead of feeling for it. I've also started using spurs a little to encourage some extra give using a lot of force. My spurs are very mild western type ones, and even giving my horse a good jab to scoot her over when she got really excited on a pattern, I've never managed to leave a mark with them. . Sidepassing is tricky since I've only taught it in the saddle to my mare and on the ground to my stallion. On the ground, I stand in front of him and leave space on both sides. I tilt his head towards the flag and give it a little shake near his shoulder. He wants to move away from the flag, but he cant go forward or backward, so he has to go sideways. The motion almost always starts in his shoulder just a little before it reaches his back end. He's figuring out to cross his feet super well and will go 7 or 8 steps before he wants to stop. He goes both ways pretty easily and backs very softly on the ground. I always have him trot a few circles first though because he's fresh when you first start working with him. . With the mare, I put an 8ft 4x4 on the ground and had her step over the middle of it. With the board under her, I would put on my outside heel and start tapping. I would move her front end over, then her back end, and repeat until we were all the way at the end of the board. It took a couple sessions for her to first it out as one motion, and then a few more get her to go the other way, but she has it pretty much down now. Some people teach it by having a horse walk along a fence, then turning them into the fence and putting on the inside heel, but I don't have a good fence to practice that along. My horse is very energetic and has a hard time keeping still, but her sidepass is solid enough that I was able to corner a cow once and sidepass up to it because I'm terrible at roping. It was just a lot of repetition with her. I've only asked my stallion to sidepass once in the saddle. He is only ridden 5 or 6 times a year and is mainly pastured with cows. I got him to go a few steps the one time we tried it. He's also the king of lazy, so he doesn't move any more than he has to. . I hope these little tips are useful! I'm not a professional trainer, but I don't have the extra cash to send mine to one or the time to drive every day to work under one, so these are mainly things I've picked up here and there from people my mom knows. My mom used to be a certified race horse trainer and told me that race horses are all trained to really grab the bit and pull, and depending on the horse, it can take a lot to teach them that they don't have to pull. They pull because it makes them run faster. Your boy is probably going to respond better verbal cues and seat to stop for a while. Even lunging while bitted up with barely any pressure could help him to figure out that pulling isn't the answer any more. Right now, the main forcus is slowing down and softening up, which means finding just the right way to apply pressure with him. |
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Thank you so much! I'll definitely keep all of that in mind! :D Side passing and flexing are the last few things I'd like to work on before getting hot and heavy with speed control and introducing more! Thank you so much again! |
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How I start my horses in side passing, I use a fence. Getting him used to first moving his front quarters to his back quarters. Before that though, he needs to learn how to heal his back quarters on the ground. How well is in that? .. After he is good at that, get him to move is front quarters. Soon on his back, after you learn the positions, start moving is back quarters, back up, then front quarters from the fence. .. You are doing good! I would wait with side passing until his speed perdomiter is a little more collected together. That's my opinion but it's all up to you :). |
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HLS Mustang Ranch said:
How I start my horses in side passing, I use a fence. Getting him used to first moving his front quarters to his back quarters. Before that though, he needs to learn how to heal his back quarters on the ground. How well is in that? .. After he is good at that, get him to move is front quarters. Soon on his back, after you learn the positions, start moving is back quarters, back up, then front quarters from the fence. .. You are doing good! I would wait with side passing until his speed perdomiter is a little more collected together. That's my opinion but it's all up to you :).
Thank you so much for this! ^^ You're all so helpful! :D |
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