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Emerald Downs said:
I'm so happy this was considered! I think if people really still would like the challenge of electing to not outcross they can always choose KNN crosses only, nothing is particularly preventing that. There is always the implementation of blood% tracking that could be further involved but that seems to track into a different problem that a few have been rather outspoken about their disinterest in.
Eve brought up a percentage once, and the community as a whole did not want it. It has already been declined as an option. If KNNs get crossbreeding, it will be down to the owner to track and care about, not the site. |
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While I do like the idea of being able to outcross the KNN breed, I think doing with TB, AA, and WBs is a bit much. And yes the KNN registry did update allowing these breeds to create a more sport horse type, I think just leaving it with out crossing with WBs in the game would be best. Also since the KNN is a warmblood breed I think the gentics would be:
KNNxKNN = KNN foal if it has the LP complex
KNNxWB = KNN if it has the LP complex if not then it should be WB (solid or pinto patterns) if it has any pattern other than Spotted (any appy pattern since no appy pattern shows up in game on the WB) then it should be SH. That coding for that might be a touch difficult though. But that's just my idea. |
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Hawkeye Farms said:
While I do like the idea of being able to outcross the KNN breed, I think doing with TB, AA, and WBs is a bit much. And yes the KNN registry did update allowing these breeds to create a more sport horse type, I think just leaving it with out crossing with WBs in the game would be best. Also since the KNN is a warmblood breed I think the gentics would be:
KNNxKNN = KNN foal if it has the LP complex
KNNxWB = KNN if it has the LP complex if not then it should be WB (solid or pinto patterns) if it has any pattern other than Spotted (any appy pattern since no appy pattern shows up in game on the WB) then it should be SH. That coding for that might be a touch difficult though. But that's just my idea.
I'd be happy to inclue AAs, since they're kind of an outcast, too, restricted to themselves as mares and TBs. It could be beneficial if AA mares had more of a reason to be used. It's not like AAs are too strong. It's just the TBs... They're so incredibly overused and overpriced at the moment, the last thing they need is more of a monopoly lol. |
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Zomb said:
I honestly like it the way it is. I havent been doing them long, but I feel as though KNNs are the only breed with a decent brood market, I feel as though being able to cross breed them will make them as easy as some of the other breeds. I do think if it were introduced, only 1 of the breeds above would do. Not all 3. Although many will appreciate it. I also think many also like the challenge of no crossbreeding in game with the breed. Edit: I do agree that the breed needs help. and will most definately use the cross breeding if introduced lol. But i quite like the challenge of them as a 'stand alone' in game
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Love it, being restricted to only KNN stallions was very difficult when I bred them in the past. |
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I breed KNN only (!) since 2010. Yes it is a challenge - but this is why the game kept me attracted for such a long time at all. I do not like to see any changes in crossbreeding KNNs with any other breed - especially not now as they are back up on a very promising way. Allowing cross breeding them to 3 other breeds would make them literally to kind of just a simple SH with Appy pattern - and this is very sad. Besides, it is funny to read, how all the longtime and "harddcore" KNN breeders are against these drastic changes and just these stables that hardly ever tried to keep up with the challenge to breed top KNNs and manage the financial and economic ressources are so very found of making them "easier". I loved to see KNNs and RIDs as harder breeds - especially in times when even stables younger than 3 months have their barns full with WWE combos without any hard try. |
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Hawkeye Farms said:
While I do like the idea of being able to outcross the KNN breed, I think doing with TB, AA, and WBs is a bit much. And yes the KNN registry did update allowing these breeds to create a more sport horse type, I think just leaving it with out crossing with WBs in the game would be best. Also since the KNN is a warmblood breed I think the gentics would be:
KNNxKNN = KNN foal if it has the LP complex
KNNxWB = KNN if it has the LP complex if not then it should be WB (solid or pinto patterns) if it has any pattern other than Spotted (any appy pattern since no appy pattern shows up in game on the WB) then it should be SH. That coding for that might be a touch difficult though. But that's just my idea.
This makes a lot of sense. If we were to outcross, i would support this idea otherwise i am kind of feeling the same as Kuewi. |
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Yes 100% this. KNN and RID are fun /because/ they are harder to breed.
Kuewi knn stable said:
I breed KNN only (!) since 2010. Yes it is a challenge - but this is why the game kept me attracted for such a long time at all. I do not like to see any changes in crossbreeding KNNs with any other breed - especially not now as they are back up on a very promising way. Allowing cross breeding them to 3 other breeds would make them literally to kind of just a simple SH with Appy pattern - and this is very sad. Besides, it is funny to read, how all the longtime and "harddcore" KNN breeders are against these drastic changes and just these stables that hardly ever tried to keep up with the challenge to breed top KNNs and manage the financial and economic ressources are so very found of making them "easier". I loved to see KNNs and RIDs as harder breeds - especially in times when even stables younger than 3 months have their barns full with WWE combos without any hard try.
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I really don't understand this old-guard ego / tribal outlook on something that one still can adhere to with their own personal breeding policies, it feels so hostile for the most trivial of reasons. Not to discredit or desparage the work people have put into things but the whole us vs. them attitude is so tired and honestly feels deeply unwelcoming. There are so many other productive ways to adress the problem or discuss it besides desparaging other peoples opinions or views in that fashion. This game is a product that needs innovation to keep new people coming in and to prevent stagnation. |
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Emerald Downs said:
I really don't understand this old-guard ego / tribal outlook on something that one still can adhere to with their own personal breeding policies, it feels so hostile for the most trivial of reasons. Not to discredit or desparage the work people have put into things but the whole us vs. them attitude is so tired and honestly feels deeply unwelcoming. There are so many other productive ways to adress the problem or discuss it besides desparaging other peoples opinions or views in that fashion. This game is a product that needs innovation to keep new people coming in and to prevent stagnation.
You're wrong. IF we open KNN to another 3! breeds, it is not a matter of "personal breeding policies" anymore, it will impact anything related to this breed, it will turn one of the most difficult breeds that we all like because hey.. who doesn't like a gamble, into another SH / ISH breed. It will impact the popularity of KNN sires (in this case, decreasing the popularity of KNN sires, especially those that are only Lplp, because why not use a TB, Wub or AA that's higher on the ABLB and costs way less with a Lplp pattern, it's the same risk.) as well as (as one of the strongest and most versatile breeds in game) TBs, increasing the popularity of those even more, like i said, turning them into a joker of some sort.
It is kind of a slap in the face for those that spent years on a breed to increase the lines. Yes the breed is difficult, but now saying "Oh i never started the breed because it was so difficult" is just another way of saying, "I didn't want to put any effort into it before". And while the KNN community was rather small, it was not so much about competing against eachother, but working together for a common goal, which made KNN aside from being a challenge, a lot more enjoyable. Furthermore, because we all worked on a common goal, we all helped eachother AND offered a lot to smaller stables that maybe wanted to be apart of this challange but maybe did not have the stock or funds yet.
This is not a us vs. them thinking either, i (and a whole lot of other "old KNN breeders) have put a lot of effort into making this breed more popular, giving away free broods, horses, straws and ebs to help smaller stables to join in on the journey. But making the breed generally easier is not really helping it.
I know it is more realistic now that KNN breeding books changed, to maybe add it to the game as well. But 3! breeds is too much, it will take the joy out of the breeding challenge. IF we really have to implement this, I still stand with Hawkeye's idea mentioned in above post. Afterall this is a game, even if we want to keep things realistic, some things just dont "need" to be as realistic (e.g. stitching balls back on after a gelding mistake <.<).
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