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Tracked Training - Who to keep? So, I have only recently started to track the training of my horses. Although I have been on here for years and haven't done it before because... Well, I'm lazy and was more of a casual player. But with time to spare and with want to progress more with my horses. I wanted some help with this. I do know how it's down and why, but what I really want to know is the Who. I have started training on some of my horses previously for showing purposes but now I have ALL my horses on training in Eventing. To see their strengths and weaknesses. I wanted people's opinions on who I should keep in my stables, and how you tell what is good tracked training results and what is bad tracked training results. I know (Or believed if it's a wrong assumption) the results vary for each rating. So a PPP tracked training may have different expectations then a EEE. But as I have all these ratings I want to know how people know they are good horses and who to keep or sell. For each kind of rating. Maybe an example or two for each rated type of horse on what would be considered good tracked training? Also, this is a personal opinion so the more examples and input from others the better I guess. No right or wrong, just someone who has a better idea than me because I am completely unsure of who I should keep. Edited at June 11, 2020 04:39 AM by Riverbreeze Stables
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First of all, I don't take training as a sole indicator on who to cull or not. Horses with great training aren't always the best producers. That being said training can give you an incling on who might be stronger than others. I'm mostly breeding EEEs and EEP combos on my main account so I know most of the tracked training about them. In general you want horses with some strengths and no maior weaknesses. Week 4, 8 and 12 show the strengths, week 3, 7 and 11 show very strong traits. Anything down week 5, 9 and 13 is weak. Ideally you want horses that have some traits gaining bars week 4,8,12 and being up all bars week 5,9 and 13. The more bars a horse gains week 4/8/12 the better. However I'm more focused on week 5/9/13. One weakness can be easily balanced, two or more can get a problem. So let's see an example with one of your PON mares ( link) She was up 2 bars week 4 which is average. With EEEs I want them up at least 3/6 to consider it good. She repeated her training week 8 which is good. However she's down one bar week 5 so there's her first major weakness. At that point I'd consider to cull her (my opinion). I'd wait to see her week 9 and might see how she produces her maiden year. However at week 9 she's down 3. For an EEE that's not good. I expect my EEEs to be up all week 9 (1 bar down is accepted but not a good sign). For comparison here's one of my best mares (not LB but all the same multiple EEE producer) Nessa The lower the horses rating the lower the expectations on their training. With PPP and PEP combos I'd be happy if they are all up week 6 and 10. With EEPs I accept one trait down week 5 and 9 but they have to be all up week 6 and 10. Again I don't cull solely based on training, but it's a major indication to me who might be strong or not. Still I hoped this helped a little, feel free to pm me if you have more questions :)
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Thank you so much! That really helped me a lot, I do have a better understanding of what is expected now during the tracked training. Thank you for the examples cause that will help me with my own horses. I'll keep in mind that it is not the only culling method as well, only an indicator. But hopefully, with all this it will help me greatly in strengthening my breeds because previously I was all over the place just breeding as the time came. I'll be sure to message you if I have any more questions.
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Just something I want to add, so you know. Cursive letter makes reading uncomfortable. You should not use it everywhere in long posts. I agree with all of the above but I will add some things. I do keep some PPPs for breeding cause of their colour but I am the most strict with them because it's a high chance of weaknesses. I only allow them to have up to 2 bars down on week 5. More than 2, it's FR. Also remember that while having good training is a good sign, it doesn't mean the horse will be a good producer.
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This will be just my opinion, so don't take it for granted that it's all correct :D Also not sure how much sense will it make, as I'm still quite asleep, but I'll try lol I'm usually looking at the training in a more flexible way, comparing weaknesses and strengths to each other, rather than the week's desired average. Of course, any EEE that is down all week 4 is either a goner or public brood. Since I'm just beginning to get better horses, I optimally expect an EEE to be up 2 bars or more. 2 bars for an EEE is very average, so I don't want to go lower than that. I'm not so strict about week 5, so long the weaknesses are matchable. Since I'm breeding not only for ratings but also for specific colors, an EEE mare that can produce EEP combos is still valuable to me. And with 2 down week 5 they are most likely to pass down a P so I do not even expect those mares to throw me EEEs. I do not keep EEP+ mares that are more than 2 down week 5, but for the strictly color lines I may make exceptions. From anything lower than EEP combos, I expect at least one bar up week 4 and all up week 6. I try not to keep PPP anymore, but sometimes they just have so much color that I can't help myself xD As for PPPs, I have absolutely no expectations on their training. Some train better than PEP combos, some train worse than SSS. There I only rely on their production, and until I decide to keep or sell, I try to match them the best I can. However, PEP combos and lower are only used with in-house studs and freshman tests. The way I decide who to use for my own program and who to send to public brood mainly relies on production, not on training. Until the mare debuts, if I have the extra funds, I try to match her properly to find out if only RF was playing with me or her production is just not so good. As a maiden however, I use training to determine the maximum stud price category that I want to spend on that mare. A couple of exact examples on how I determine a horse's strength and use for me: Svellongur - PEE She has two down week 5, but luckily for her I have a stud of my own who has the same strentghs as her weaknesses. She's also homozygous dun which makes her extremely valuable for my program, so she stays to be used with home studs. She also repeated her week 4 which is good, and was all up week 6 which means that her weaknesses are not as major. Kijeog - EEE She was two down week 5, but 4 up week 4 and all up week 6. This means that her weaknesses are not too major, and that she has much more strengths than weaknesses. She also had one bar up week 7, which is again, a good sign. She did show weakness in her later training weeks which leaves room for concern, but since her first few foals disappointed me, she's one whom will be a public brood / show mare in my barns. Maybe a color freshman will be thrown at her at some point too. Shadirra - EEE 2 up week 4 is pretty average, but she had one up week 7 and was one up week 8 as well, in addition to repeating that week 4. The training is pretty neat, but her production could be better. She's still one of the mares that I highly rely on for my later program, as she seems to be doing decent when matched properly with a strong stud. I hope the post makes sense, I really do xD And I hope it could help a little.
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It's funny that you mention that Shivering Sea cause I find cursive far more comfortable to read, it's why I use it. But I'll keep what you said in mind. Also thanks for the tip, I'll have to make sure to track the foal production. Edited at June 13, 2020 07:48 AM by Riverbreeze Stables
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Everything you said HRS made sense, I'll probably not be as strict with culling either as most of my horses tracked training would be considered weak. But I plan as I progress to strengthen that. Also thank you for the examples to clarify things, really helped a lot. With my EEP and EEE mares although weak training results, would you still consider breeding them to good studs? Since I only have a few with most my barn being PEP combos. And I wouldn't consider my stallions to be anything great.
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I personally always try to get the best studs my budget allows me to. This varies from RO to RO. The only exception is if they are constant PPP producers. Then they get only in house studs or whatever the public brood gets them xD
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What HRS said. Strong studs are more likely to produce stronger foals.
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Here is my opinion on as well. AD horses are all about balance-being up in every trait. I only breed my EEE+ mares as fixing a EEP combo takes too long and you will have difficulty catching up. The good horses get better every RO and P rating is now two levels below the desired W. It is better to spend your resources on breeding 2-3 good matches each RO. I have no tolerance any more for horses not all up at 5 and 9 weeks. Weaknesses like that take several generations to fix. I could really care less about week 4. I have had ABLB horses look poorly at week 4 several times. Weeks 8 thru 15 are what I pay attention to. Also, realize training is a rough guide to a horse's quality and is used for matching purposes. The real test is breeding that horse to see it's offspring and where is falls on the leaderboard. More than one 6/6 on week 4 horses have been terrible producers. My best mare is a EEE who was up 3/6 at week 4. She has two ABLB and 4 LB horses among her offspring so far.
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